Sam Harris in his Making Sense podcast interviewed Timothy Snyder [1] about this topic, they had a decent dive into the history, relationship between the countr

Sam Harris in his Making Sense podcast interviewed Timothy Snyder [1] about this topic, they had a decent dive into the history, relationship between the countries and meaning of the war for both sides. 1. https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/301-the-politics-of-unreality-ukraine-and-nuclear-risk https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/301... the interview starts at about 13:30.