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How do you deal with domain squatting or trademark violation? The current system does this well because of identity and web3 doesn't have any answer to this.

How do you deal with domain squatting or trademark violation? The current system does this well because of identity and web3 doesn't have any answer to this. Also I can host my own DNS server with my own domain name all decentralised without crypto scamming.

nileshtrivedi 4y ago
Some challenges arising out of human-meaningful names that any registry of names needs to tackle: - Inclusivity for future generations. Early adopters should not crowd out late adopters of all the desirable names - Community ownership or geographical indications or false advertising (eg: DarjeelingTea.com should only be owned collectively by farmers in that particular region) - Prevention of abuse or trademark violations (eg: Nestly should be able to sue and win the case on merit against somebody who registers nestlekillsbabies.com)
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  "nestlekillsbabies.com" wouldn't be a trademark violation. If anything, it'd be libel, but the defense there would be either a) truth or b) protected opinion.
searchableguy 4y ago
> How do you deal with domain squatting or trademark violation? In practice, it rarely works. Only big corporations have money to actually sue and win these cases. They usually prefer to pay however. Same with regards to other reasons people give for lack of adoption of crypto alternative. For example, lack of reversal and dispute handling is cited as the major reason why crypto currency isn't used for payments. That's just not true. UPI in India does not have ability to reverse transactions either. So does not countless p2p payment systems. UPI alone processes billions of transactions weekly. I think all these high level concerns aren't the reason for lack of adoption. They might indicate lack of corporate adoption but at the core level, I would think lack of a widely used consumer DNS like 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 is a bigger hurdle. Both of them won't resolve ENS and any other crypto based alternative. Your average person is never going to run their own local DNS resolution node and switch it in their browsers. In iOT and smart devices like TV, DNS is often hard coded so impossible to change.
- capitol_ 4y ago
  I work at one of those "big corporations" and we buy our scam domain takedowns from a firm that specialises in that. It costs us €200 per domain.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > UPI in India does not have ability to reverse transactions either. So does not countless p2p payment systems. UPI alone processes billions of transactions weekly. There's a dispute mechanism which will eventually be escalated to a bank which does have the power to revert transcations https://www.npci.org.in/what-we-do/upi/dispute-redressal-mechanism https://www.npci.org.in/what-we-do/upi/dispute-redressal-mec... Same with "countless p2p systems" because the majority of them are just an intermediary between banks. For example, here's Swish from Sweden: https://www.swish.nu/faq/private/i-accidentally-swished-the-wrong-number-how-do-i-get-my-money-back https://www.swish.nu/faq/private/i-accidentally-swished-the-...
  - searchableguy 4y ago
    There's very limited area where banks can refund the transaction where they are at fault. It is not reversal. For reversing, they have to contact the receiving bank and person to send back the money which in case of scam is low. You can do that with crypto too. Contact the person and ask them to send the money back. You also need police report and the sum has to be big enough for them to bother.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > There's very limited area where banks can refund the transaction where they are at fault. It is not reversal. If we're talking in general, no, banks can revert transactions when you pay for something and that turns out to be a scam, or goods/services are not delivered. I don't know how it works in the case of P2P transactions, but I expect many of the protections to still apply. > For reversing, they have to contact the receiving bank and person to send back the money > You can do that with crypto too. Contact the person There's a big difference between a bank contacting another bank to revert an incorrect or frauduent transaction, and trying to contact a stranger to send your money back. > You also need police report and the sum has to be big enough for them to bother. Compare this to crypto where if your money's gone, your money's gone, regardless of the sum or the intent.

nileshtrivedi 4y ago

Some challenges arising out of human-meaningful names that any registry of names needs to tackle: - Inclusivity for future generations. Early adopters should not crowd out late adopters of all the desirable names - Community ownership or geographical indications or false advertising (eg: DarjeelingTea.com should only be owned collectively by farmers in that particular region) - Prevention of abuse or trademark violations (eg: Nestly should be able to sue and win the case on merit against somebody who registers nestlekillsbabies.com)

ceejayoz 4y ago
"nestlekillsbabies.com" wouldn't be a trademark violation. If anything, it'd be libel, but the defense there would be either a) truth or b) protected opinion.

searchableguy 4y ago

> How do you deal with domain squatting or trademark violation? In practice, it rarely works. Only big corporations have money to actually sue and win these cases. They usually prefer to pay however. Same with regards to other reasons people give for lack of adoption of crypto alternative. For example, lack of reversal and dispute handling is cited as the major reason why crypto currency isn't used for payments. That's just not true. UPI in India does not have ability to reverse transactions either. So does not countless p2p payment systems. UPI alone processes billions of transactions weekly. I think all these high level concerns aren't the reason for lack of adoption. They might indicate lack of corporate adoption but at the core level, I would think lack of a widely used consumer DNS like 8.8.8.8 and 1.1.1.1 is a bigger hurdle. Both of them won't resolve ENS and any other crypto based alternative. Your average person is never going to run their own local DNS resolution node and switch it in their browsers. In iOT and smart devices like TV, DNS is often hard coded so impossible to change.

capitol_ 4y ago
I work at one of those "big corporations" and we buy our scam domain takedowns from a firm that specialises in that. It costs us €200 per domain.
dmitriid 4y ago
> UPI in India does not have ability to reverse transactions either. So does not countless p2p payment systems. UPI alone processes billions of transactions weekly. There's a dispute mechanism which will eventually be escalated to a bank which does have the power to revert transcations https://www.npci.org.in/what-we-do/upi/dispute-redressal-mechanism https://www.npci.org.in/what-we-do/upi/dispute-redressal-mec... Same with "countless p2p systems" because the majority of them are just an intermediary between banks. For example, here's Swish from Sweden: https://www.swish.nu/faq/private/i-accidentally-swished-the-wrong-number-how-do-i-get-my-money-back https://www.swish.nu/faq/private/i-accidentally-swished-the-...
- searchableguy 4y ago
  There's very limited area where banks can refund the transaction where they are at fault. It is not reversal. For reversing, they have to contact the receiving bank and person to send back the money which in case of scam is low. You can do that with crypto too. Contact the person and ask them to send the money back. You also need police report and the sum has to be big enough for them to bother.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > There's very limited area where banks can refund the transaction where they are at fault. It is not reversal. If we're talking in general, no, banks can revert transactions when you pay for something and that turns out to be a scam, or goods/services are not delivered. I don't know how it works in the case of P2P transactions, but I expect many of the protections to still apply. > For reversing, they have to contact the receiving bank and person to send back the money > You can do that with crypto too. Contact the person There's a big difference between a bank contacting another bank to revert an incorrect or frauduent transaction, and trying to contact a stranger to send your money back. > You also need police report and the sum has to be big enough for them to bother. Compare this to crypto where if your money's gone, your money's gone, regardless of the sum or the intent.