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You can reduce everything to being religion if you do it this way to the point of the comparison being useless. HN? Religion. Weight lifting? Religion. Dental

by Tenoke 4y ago

You can reduce everything to being religion if you do it this way to the point of the comparison being useless. HN? Religion. Weight lifting? Religion. Dental hygiene? Religion. Voting? Religion. Functional Programming? Religion. Punk? Religion.

pooper 4y ago
> HN? Religion. Weight lifting? Religion. Dental hygiene? Religion. Voting? Religion. Functional Programming? Religion. Punk? Religion. Well dental hygiene is definitely not a religion. I don't even floss (use a water pik now but flossing back teeth is difficult, parents never taught me to floss when I was a child). Leaving this aside, I have also noticed people call test-driven development / behavior driven development religions here. Are they using hyperboles?
- einpoklum 4y ago
  Do you even floss? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-even-lift https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-even-lift
- agentwiggles 4y ago
  Heh, my first job was a big TDD shop and while I learned many valuable skill - and even still write my tests first at times - I definitely encountered people who were religiously dogmatic about TDD and pairing. Both of those are useful tools, but doing them 100% of the time is challenging. For me, as a brand new dev, the attitude of "you must always write a test before you write code" was stifling and made it harder to learn things at times. To quote our noble caveman patron saint, "how grug test what grug not understand domain yet?!"
deebosong 4y ago
I don't disagree with you. Whatever you put your hope into, coupled with whatever you believe is true about existence – like even nihilism or solipsism or Darwinism or syncretism, etc. etc.), and however those hopes and beliefs lead to actions that consistently point back to said hopes and beliefs, pretty much reveals what we put our faith into. Again, not saying I disagree in the slightest. Just reiterating.
ineedasername 4y ago
I’m not sure that you know how the “thought leaders” in the upper social tiers of EA are operating. I mean that honestly and not as a slight, because if you do know we can (to the extent that I have the attention span) discuss it if we disagree and productively explore the topic: There appears to be an upper eschelon, perhaps more of a social group, who are guiding the resources of this movement along philosophical/ideological lines about which they are not being transparent. And when someone outside of that social group verges on exploring those aspects of their philosophical thinking there is an effort to silence or soften the tone of their discourse so it appears less coldly calculating, maybe (per anecdotal reports of people closely tied there) less absurdly extreme and ridiculous.
- Viliam1234 4y ago
  For starters, it would be interesting to know who are those mysterious thought leaders. Peter Singer, the philosopher whose book inspired the movement? People at GiveWell, the charity evaluation organization? Authors of the Giving What We Can pledge? Or are these all merely puppets in the hands of the true manipulators hiding in the shadows, whose names no one dares to mention, even anonymously? Spooky...
crawfordcomeaux 4y ago
Judging the comparisons as useless before making them and evaluating their use? That's a common religious belief and practice that hides this truth: Belief is an arbitrary choice and a tool.

by Tenoke 4y ago

pooper 4y ago

> HN? Religion. Weight lifting? Religion. Dental hygiene? Religion. Voting? Religion. Functional Programming? Religion. Punk? Religion. Well dental hygiene is definitely not a religion. I don't even floss (use a water pik now but flossing back teeth is difficult, parents never taught me to floss when I was a child). Leaving this aside, I have also noticed people call test-driven development / behavior driven development religions here. Are they using hyperboles?

einpoklum 4y ago
Do you even floss? https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-even-lift https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/do-you-even-lift
agentwiggles 4y ago
Heh, my first job was a big TDD shop and while I learned many valuable skill - and even still write my tests first at times - I definitely encountered people who were religiously dogmatic about TDD and pairing. Both of those are useful tools, but doing them 100% of the time is challenging. For me, as a brand new dev, the attitude of "you must always write a test before you write code" was stifling and made it harder to learn things at times. To quote our noble caveman patron saint, "how grug test what grug not understand domain yet?!"

deebosong 4y ago

I don't disagree with you. Whatever you put your hope into, coupled with whatever you believe is true about existence – like even nihilism or solipsism or Darwinism or syncretism, etc. etc.), and however those hopes and beliefs lead to actions that consistently point back to said hopes and beliefs, pretty much reveals what we put our faith into. Again, not saying I disagree in the slightest. Just reiterating.

ineedasername 4y ago

I’m not sure that you know how the “thought leaders” in the upper social tiers of EA are operating. I mean that honestly and not as a slight, because if you do know we can (to the extent that I have the attention span) discuss it if we disagree and productively explore the topic: There appears to be an upper eschelon, perhaps more of a social group, who are guiding the resources of this movement along philosophical/ideological lines about which they are not being transparent. And when someone outside of that social group verges on exploring those aspects of their philosophical thinking there is an effort to silence or soften the tone of their discourse so it appears less coldly calculating, maybe (per anecdotal reports of people closely tied there) less absurdly extreme and ridiculous.

Viliam1234 4y ago
For starters, it would be interesting to know who are those mysterious thought leaders. Peter Singer, the philosopher whose book inspired the movement? People at GiveWell, the charity evaluation organization? Authors of the Giving What We Can pledge? Or are these all merely puppets in the hands of the true manipulators hiding in the shadows, whose names no one dares to mention, even anonymously? Spooky...

crawfordcomeaux 4y ago

Judging the comparisons as useless before making them and evaluating their use? That's a common religious belief and practice that hides this truth: Belief is an arbitrary choice and a tool.