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Deprecated does not mean removed. They are still there, working fine, having no big reason to change them. I know it, as I just checked my and my workplaces cod

Deprecated does not mean removed. They are still there, working fine, having no big reason to change them. I know it, as I just checked my and my workplaces code, and there are several usages of deprecated code. And we are on 3.9/3.10.

samus 4y ago
Merriam Webster lists the following relevant meanings for "deprecated": > to express disapproval of > to withdraw official support for or discourage the use of (something, such as a software product) in favor of a newer or better alternative In other words, deprecated is a strong signal that one should strive to migrate from items marked as such.
- PurpleRamen 4y ago
  So what? As long as it works, don't change it. This parts are deprecated since up to nearly a decade (Python 3.2 was released February 20th, 2011). And they will work for some more years. Some have not even a working replacement yet. Investing now in changing old code just to be compatible to a not even released version, is a bit pointless if you have more important work on the list.
  - samus 4y ago
    Python 2 was supported for way longer than initially announced. Distutils as well. Maybe deprecated is not a strong enough signal because many projects hesitate to cut stuff loose that they deprecated because of the community backslash. Sometimes things have to be deprecated, but the community will never get around to adapt to that if they stick around forever. Compared to that, Java still carries some deprecated items around. But with Java 9, deprecation for removal was introduced, which is a strong signal that stuff will be gone in two releases. Kubernetes has a strict deprecation policy as well, such that skipping more than two releases is asking for trouble.
sigzero 4y ago
Except the notice is about "removing deprecated modules"? Deprecation usually means "These are going away at some point. Be aware.".
- philipwhiuk 4y ago
  It should mean 'next major version'. But the Python community fear major version changes. So the minor versions become major versions.

samus 4y ago

Merriam Webster lists the following relevant meanings for "deprecated": > to express disapproval of > to withdraw official support for or discourage the use of (something, such as a software product) in favor of a newer or better alternative In other words, deprecated is a strong signal that one should strive to migrate from items marked as such.

PurpleRamen 4y ago
So what? As long as it works, don't change it. This parts are deprecated since up to nearly a decade (Python 3.2 was released February 20th, 2011). And they will work for some more years. Some have not even a working replacement yet. Investing now in changing old code just to be compatible to a not even released version, is a bit pointless if you have more important work on the list.
- samus 4y ago
  Python 2 was supported for way longer than initially announced. Distutils as well. Maybe deprecated is not a strong enough signal because many projects hesitate to cut stuff loose that they deprecated because of the community backslash. Sometimes things have to be deprecated, but the community will never get around to adapt to that if they stick around forever. Compared to that, Java still carries some deprecated items around. But with Java 9, deprecation for removal was introduced, which is a strong signal that stuff will be gone in two releases. Kubernetes has a strict deprecation policy as well, such that skipping more than two releases is asking for trouble.

sigzero 4y ago

Except the notice is about "removing deprecated modules"? Deprecation usually means "These are going away at some point. Be aware.".

philipwhiuk 4y ago
It should mean 'next major version'. But the Python community fear major version changes. So the minor versions become major versions.