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You should sign up to maintain those ancient modules

by drexlspivey 4y ago

xigoi 4y ago
Why do they need to be maintained? Just leave them as is.
- ciupicri 4y ago
  Because supposedly people will report bugs for them and someone will need to fix them.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    “Sorry, we don't fix bugs in deprecated code. Closed.”
    - scott_s 4y ago
      “Deprecated” usually implies intent to remove. Regardless, even dealing with such rejections is a support burden. And security vulnerabilities will tend to be fixed, even in deprecated code.
- slig 4y ago
  Code rots.
- samus 4y ago
  Apart from requiring security fixes, they also sometimes block changes and newer features. At that point, the maintainers might have to choose between breaking the obsolete module or shelfing the feature/fix. Deprecations are the way to indicate that support for the module will be eventually dropped. There is no reason to leave those modules there if they cannot be relied on.
CJefferson 4y ago
Several groups of people offered to maintain python 2. They were told very clearly they could not do so "officially", and we're even threatened with lawyers if their thing looked like it could be mistaken for "Python 2".
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  So don’t maintain it officially and use a different name. What’s your complaint exactly?
- acdha 4y ago
  Do you have pointers to that? The one I saw was called “python 2.8” which is definitely a point of confusion for people who might think it was supported.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Look up Tauthon , believe that was the name.
    - acdha 4y ago
      Yes, that’s the one. Note that they’re still there – the PSF just didn’t want them calling something which isn’t made by the Python developers Python 2.8. Once they adopted the Tauthon name they were fine.
- int_19h 4y ago
  Here's an actively maintained version of Python 2: https://www.activestate.com/products/python/python-2-7/ https://www.activestate.com/products/python/python-2-7/ As you can see, it is still offered, and the PSF doesn't have a problem with that. The problem with those other groups is that they didn't want to maintain Python 2. They wanted to take it and develop it, evolving the language separately from Python 3 - while also calling the result "Python 2.8" (and presumably later Python 2.9 etc). It stands to reason that people who own the brand don't want it to be associated with a third-party fork that's making its own major design decisions, no?

You should sign up to maintain those ancient modules

xigoi 4y ago

Why do they need to be maintained? Just leave them as is.

ciupicri 4y ago
Because supposedly people will report bugs for them and someone will need to fix them.
- xigoi 4y ago
  “Sorry, we don't fix bugs in deprecated code. Closed.”
  - scott_s 4y ago
    “Deprecated” usually implies intent to remove. Regardless, even dealing with such rejections is a support burden. And security vulnerabilities will tend to be fixed, even in deprecated code.
slig 4y ago
Code rots.
samus 4y ago
Apart from requiring security fixes, they also sometimes block changes and newer features. At that point, the maintainers might have to choose between breaking the obsolete module or shelfing the feature/fix. Deprecations are the way to indicate that support for the module will be eventually dropped. There is no reason to leave those modules there if they cannot be relied on.

CJefferson 4y ago

Several groups of people offered to maintain python 2. They were told very clearly they could not do so "officially", and we're even threatened with lawyers if their thing looked like it could be mistaken for "Python 2".

CogitoCogito 4y ago
So don’t maintain it officially and use a different name. What’s your complaint exactly?
acdha 4y ago
Do you have pointers to that? The one I saw was called “python 2.8” which is definitely a point of confusion for people who might think it was supported.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Look up Tauthon , believe that was the name.
  - acdha 4y ago
    Yes, that’s the one. Note that they’re still there – the PSF just didn’t want them calling something which isn’t made by the Python developers Python 2.8. Once they adopted the Tauthon name they were fine.
int_19h 4y ago
Here's an actively maintained version of Python 2: https://www.activestate.com/products/python/python-2-7/ https://www.activestate.com/products/python/python-2-7/ As you can see, it is still offered, and the PSF doesn't have a problem with that. The problem with those other groups is that they didn't want to maintain Python 2. They wanted to take it and develop it, evolving the language separately from Python 3 - while also calling the result "Python 2.8" (and presumably later Python 2.9 etc). It stands to reason that people who own the brand don't want it to be associated with a third-party fork that's making its own major design decisions, no?