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The problem is with some cultures, we know that this approach does not work. There was.. is a tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except

The problem is with some cultures, we know that this approach does not work. There was.. is a tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except the quoran at the end of life, to express ones devotion. So this approach would dig up only one book. Now imagine a budhistic precursor, which shuns world possesions and clingyness to status, scribbling notes of debt on papyrus. And you simply get nothing, but mythologic temple inscriptions. Which only help you, if you can derive the follow up mythologies of the successor cultures. A connection you can only arrive after you know.

canadianfella 4y ago
erklik 4y ago
> There was.. is a tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except the quoran at the end of life, to express ones devotion. Do you have an example of notable examples of this in history? or a source of such events? I've never heard of such a case before, so it's quite interesting.
- qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
  Most of my information is from a book on the issue called "Sealed time". Regarding the book as holy property, special item: https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adoption-of-the-printing-press-in-the-ottoman-empire/ https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop... One such example is the delay of book printing in the osman cultural sphere. Rest is on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_disposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d... And in various scholar articles. Notice that its also a attempt to have cohension and prevent the forming of sects and cults. https://raseef22.net/article/1070179-book-burning-islamic-history https://raseef22.net/article/1070179-book-burning-islamic-hi...
  - erklik 4y ago
    I am somewhat confused... Your point was that pious people, even today, would burn all owned books except the Quran as a show of their faith. > Sealed time I can't seem to find this book. Do you have the author for it? > Regarding the book as holy property, special item: https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop... This is more about scribes being attached to their jobs so preventing the use of printing-press. That's nothing holy or religion related. Good old protectionism. > Rest is on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d... I am also confused what this has to do with the original statement. Quran as a book has a form of disposal, yes, and it's by burning, sure. Your point was about non-Quranic books. > And in various scholar articles. Notice that its also a attempt to have cohension and prevent the forming of sects and cults. Similarly, again, that is about religious texts and religious books. Honestly, I am not sure where you got your claim from. As far as I can research, there isn't some widespread practice of "tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except the quoran at the end of life" ...
    - qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
      Dan Diner Sealed Time or German "Versiegelte Zeit". I also said "pious" and i think being deeply religous and a scholar of other sciences sort of exclude one another in modern times.
wanderlust123 4y ago
I’m highly sceptical about the claims around muslims burning non islamic books. They had their own golden age while Europe was in the dark ages. We know from various sources that Islamic scholars made quiet a contribution to science back in the day. A cursory glance on google provided this compact guide https://www.metmuseum.org/learn/educators/curriculum-resources/art-of-the-islamic-world/~/media/Files/Learn/For%20Educators/Publications%20for%20Educators/Islamic%20Teacher%20Resource/Unit4.pdf https://www.metmuseum.org/learn/educators/curriculum-resourc... In particular the bit around medicine. I’m sure there are more in depth references available.
kristopolous 4y ago
Let's take that as true for the conversation There's likely not countless deviations. Religious zealotry can yield a different distribution, ok now we have 2. There's a lot of antiquarian languages and civilizations. Even if there's a third possibility, it's worth seeing if the documents can be clustered in various fairly predictable proportions. I can't be the first to think of this, it's just too obvious

canadianfella 4y ago

erklik 4y ago

> There was.. is a tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except the quoran at the end of life, to express ones devotion. Do you have an example of notable examples of this in history? or a source of such events? I've never heard of such a case before, so it's quite interesting.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Most of my information is from a book on the issue called "Sealed time". Regarding the book as holy property, special item: https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adoption-of-the-printing-press-in-the-ottoman-empire/ https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop... One such example is the delay of book printing in the osman cultural sphere. Rest is on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_disposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d... And in various scholar articles. Notice that its also a attempt to have cohension and prevent the forming of sects and cults. https://raseef22.net/article/1070179-book-burning-islamic-history https://raseef22.net/article/1070179-book-burning-islamic-hi...
- erklik 4y ago
  I am somewhat confused... Your point was that pious people, even today, would burn all owned books except the Quran as a show of their faith. > Sealed time I can't seem to find this book. Do you have the author for it? > Regarding the book as holy property, special item: https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop https://sureshemre.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/on-the-late-adop... This is more about scribes being attached to their jobs so preventing the use of printing-press. That's nothing holy or religion related. Good old protectionism. > Rest is on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_desecration#Respectful_d... I am also confused what this has to do with the original statement. Quran as a book has a form of disposal, yes, and it's by burning, sure. Your point was about non-Quranic books. > And in various scholar articles. Notice that its also a attempt to have cohension and prevent the forming of sects and cults. Similarly, again, that is about religious texts and religious books. Honestly, I am not sure where you got your claim from. As far as I can research, there isn't some widespread practice of "tendency for example among pious muslims to burn all books except the quoran at the end of life" ...
  - qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
    Dan Diner Sealed Time or German "Versiegelte Zeit". I also said "pious" and i think being deeply religous and a scholar of other sciences sort of exclude one another in modern times.

wanderlust123 4y ago

I’m highly sceptical about the claims around muslims burning non islamic books. They had their own golden age while Europe was in the dark ages. We know from various sources that Islamic scholars made quiet a contribution to science back in the day. A cursory glance on google provided this compact guide https://www.metmuseum.org/learn/educators/curriculum-resources/art-of-the-islamic-world/~/media/Files/Learn/For%20Educators/Publications%20for%20Educators/Islamic%20Teacher%20Resource/Unit4.pdf https://www.metmuseum.org/learn/educators/curriculum-resourc... In particular the bit around medicine. I’m sure there are more in depth references available.

kristopolous 4y ago

Let's take that as true for the conversation There's likely not countless deviations. Religious zealotry can yield a different distribution, ok now we have 2. There's a lot of antiquarian languages and civilizations. Even if there's a third possibility, it's worth seeing if the documents can be clustered in various fairly predictable proportions. I can't be the first to think of this, it's just too obvious