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> and porn sites? really? I don't understand this visceral hatred of pornography. Like it or not, it's an indisposable part of modern Western culture. It fulfi

> and porn sites? really? I don't understand this visceral hatred of pornography. Like it or not, it's an indisposable part of modern Western culture. It fulfills a need that is as old as mankind itself. Why can't we just acknowledge it for what it is instead of sweeping it under the rug?

there 15y ago
i was actually saying that because everything loaded from a porn site comes from other servers, so just listing its main hostname will not show anything at all.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Is this really categorically true for porn sites and only porn sites? Otherwise your comment seems rather weird.
  - uxp 15y ago
    > Is this really categorically true for porn sites and only porn sites? Depends on the entire structure of the site, and no not only porn sites. If you run chrome, hit up your Network Inspector in the dev tools and go to YouTube (or RedTube if you want, it's just about the same) to watch a video. The random video I had in my chrome history loaded from o-o.preferred.nuq04s10.v21.lscache3.c.youtube.com , and all images loaded from *.ytimg.com If Youtube were to go down and I tossed their IP address into my hostfile, I could visit their homepage, but there's a pretty good chance thumbnail images wouldn't load, and a 100% chance I would not have every single (seemingly dynamic) content server in my hostfile, so none of the videos would load anyways.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      Yes, this was my impression.
yuvadam 15y ago
It's not hatred of pornography. It's hatred of an industry that thrives and profits on suppression, humiliation and objectification of women.
- derleth 15y ago
  That is a simplistic and sexist view of the industry. It presupposes women have no agency, no will of their own, and that men can control them just by waving some money and the promise of fame in their faces.
  - yuvadam 15y ago
    I know it's hard to read my comment through the torrent of downvotes (which speaks for itself). However, in it, I've said nothing of free will. For discussion's sake, let's assume we live in a perfect society in which women do porn purely from choice. Total fiction, but let's assume that. Now, back to my original assertion. Assuming we're all adults here, and are aware of what a modern porn scene looks and sounds like, I challenge you, or any other downvoter, to explain exactly how so is the porn industry not demeaning or not humiliating or does not objectify women.
    - derleth 15y ago
      You find what you're looking for, in porn as in just about any market. Besides, you do not have the right to define what is humiliating and degrading for anyone else. You can only define that for yourself.
    - MartinCron 15y ago
      Doesn't the porn industry demean and humiliate and objectify men, too?
      - derleth 15y ago
        But men are apparently presumed to have more ability to make a choice in the matter, more willpower to resist the things the pornmongers throw at unknown talent.
access_denied 15y ago
Masturbating or looking at women for ths sole purpose to get sexually arosed may be as old as mankind, porn hardly is (and isn't needed to fullfill the need).
spodek 15y ago
"I don't understand this visceral hatred of pornography. Like it or not, it's an indisposable part of modern Western culture..." Why specify Western culture?
- w1ntermute 15y ago
  Because it's not necessarily a part of all modern cultures. For example, pornography is illegal in many Islamic nations and can be difficult to come by, both online and in real life. In such a culture, the extermination of pornography would have a relatively minor effect on society, making it disposable.
  - cyrus_ 15y ago
    Pornography is not difficult to come by in Islamic nations nowadays (if Pakistan is any indication). Its sold in the same places as other pirated western DVDs, often without the shopowner even realizing that it is a substantively different sort of thing compared to "normal" Western movies, which also tend to feature scantily clad women on the cover. There are also internet cafes with fairly unfiltered access to internet pornography and private rooms.
    - w1ntermute 15y ago
      Pakistan, as a (nominally) democratic nation, is probably not the best example of your average Islamic nation (most of which do not possess democratic forms of government). In any case, my familiarity with non-Western cultures is rather limited, and therefore I didn't want to unintentionally comment on any others in my initial post.
      - JonnieCache 15y ago
        When you say "islamic nation," are you referring to one with majority islamic citizens, in the same way that britain, america or sweden are "christian nations," or are you referring to islamic theocracies? It seems you are referring to the latter, but you should be careful bandying around such terms. There are highly secular democracies with muslim populations, such as turkey.

there 15y ago

i was actually saying that because everything loaded from a porn site comes from other servers, so just listing its main hostname will not show anything at all.

burgerbrain 15y ago
Is this really categorically true for porn sites and only porn sites? Otherwise your comment seems rather weird.
- uxp 15y ago
  > Is this really categorically true for porn sites and only porn sites? Depends on the entire structure of the site, and no not only porn sites. If you run chrome, hit up your Network Inspector in the dev tools and go to YouTube (or RedTube if you want, it's just about the same) to watch a video. The random video I had in my chrome history loaded from o-o.preferred.nuq04s10.v21.lscache3.c.youtube.com , and all images loaded from *.ytimg.com If Youtube were to go down and I tossed their IP address into my hostfile, I could visit their homepage, but there's a pretty good chance thumbnail images wouldn't load, and a 100% chance I would not have every single (seemingly dynamic) content server in my hostfile, so none of the videos would load anyways.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Yes, this was my impression.

yuvadam 15y ago

It's not hatred of pornography. It's hatred of an industry that thrives and profits on suppression, humiliation and objectification of women.

derleth 15y ago
That is a simplistic and sexist view of the industry. It presupposes women have no agency, no will of their own, and that men can control them just by waving some money and the promise of fame in their faces.
- yuvadam 15y ago
  I know it's hard to read my comment through the torrent of downvotes (which speaks for itself). However, in it, I've said nothing of free will. For discussion's sake, let's assume we live in a perfect society in which women do porn purely from choice. Total fiction, but let's assume that. Now, back to my original assertion. Assuming we're all adults here, and are aware of what a modern porn scene looks and sounds like, I challenge you, or any other downvoter, to explain exactly how so is the porn industry not demeaning or not humiliating or does not objectify women.
  - derleth 15y ago
    You find what you're looking for, in porn as in just about any market. Besides, you do not have the right to define what is humiliating and degrading for anyone else. You can only define that for yourself.
  - MartinCron 15y ago
    Doesn't the porn industry demean and humiliate and objectify men, too?
    - derleth 15y ago
      But men are apparently presumed to have more ability to make a choice in the matter, more willpower to resist the things the pornmongers throw at unknown talent.

access_denied 15y ago

Masturbating or looking at women for ths sole purpose to get sexually arosed may be as old as mankind, porn hardly is (and isn't needed to fullfill the need).

spodek 15y ago

"I don't understand this visceral hatred of pornography. Like it or not, it's an indisposable part of modern Western culture..." Why specify Western culture?

w1ntermute 15y ago
Because it's not necessarily a part of all modern cultures. For example, pornography is illegal in many Islamic nations and can be difficult to come by, both online and in real life. In such a culture, the extermination of pornography would have a relatively minor effect on society, making it disposable.
- cyrus_ 15y ago
  Pornography is not difficult to come by in Islamic nations nowadays (if Pakistan is any indication). Its sold in the same places as other pirated western DVDs, often without the shopowner even realizing that it is a substantively different sort of thing compared to "normal" Western movies, which also tend to feature scantily clad women on the cover. There are also internet cafes with fairly unfiltered access to internet pornography and private rooms.
  - w1ntermute 15y ago
    Pakistan, as a (nominally) democratic nation, is probably not the best example of your average Islamic nation (most of which do not possess democratic forms of government). In any case, my familiarity with non-Western cultures is rather limited, and therefore I didn't want to unintentionally comment on any others in my initial post.
    - JonnieCache 15y ago
      When you say "islamic nation," are you referring to one with majority islamic citizens, in the same way that britain, america or sweden are "christian nations," or are you referring to islamic theocracies? It seems you are referring to the latter, but you should be careful bandying around such terms. There are highly secular democracies with muslim populations, such as turkey.