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The founders of the Effective Altruism movement are mostly non-technical people. You can't blame their arrogance and failures on the "techbros". The people men

The founders of the Effective Altruism movement are mostly non-technical people. You can't blame their arrogance and failures on the "techbros". The people mentioned on the Effective Altruism Wikipedia page: Peter Singer: Professor of Bioethics (philosopher) Toby Ord: Philosopher. Philosophy PhD, Computer Science bachelors Hilary Greaves: Philosopher, and he double-majored in physics in undergrad William MacAskill: Philosopher/Ethicist. PhD in philosophy. Eliezer Yudkowsky: self-described autodidact, no formal education or notable work history. Runs a "AI" "Research" center called MIRI. Holden Karnofsky: Co-Founder of GiveWell, Harvard degree in Social Studies Yew-Kwang Ng: Welfare Economist, has published biology, mathematics, philosophy, cosmology, psychology, and sociology papers. Derek Parfit: Philosopher. Has a history degree. Nick Bostrom: Philosopher. BA in philosophy and math, MA in philosophy and physics. Benjamin Todd: Physics/Philosophy double major, worked at Kodak for eight months and at an investment firm for 1.25 years before joining the Centre for Effective Altruism. The financial backers are more diverse: Dustin Moskovitz: Co-Founder of Facebook, Co-Founder of Open Philanthropy Cari Tuna: Dustin's wife, previously worked as a reporter before cofounding Open Philanthropy Dan Smith: Professional poker player Liv Boeree: Professional poker player. Physics degree Sam Bankman-Fried: con-artist, thief, fraudster. Has a physics degree and a minor in math, interned/worked as a trader at Jane Street, and founded Alameda Capital and FTX.

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nl 4y ago
"TechBros" doesn't mean "programmers". It broadly means something like "people who think tech will solve everything but don't think very deeply"
- dchftcs 4y ago
  And yet Effective Altruism in itself is not technology focused. There's no evidence that list of people (many philosophers) think tech will solve everything.
  - nl 4y ago
    Longtermism explicitly is technology focused though: > Many longtermists reckon that the antidote to the threat from technology is more technology; mastering artificial intelligence will forestall a malevolent AI from enslaving us. They also believe that technological acceleration is morally good in its own right, as it enables the universe to sustain more people. Bostrom laments the lives lost every second that technological advances are delayed. In a paper from 2003 he invites readers to imagine all the “unused energy…being flushed down black holes”, and all the suns beyond our own that are “illuminating and heating empty rooms”, because we lack the means to populate the planets orbiting them And longtermism has taken over much of the EA movement: > Disillusioned effective altruists are dismayed by the increasing predominance of “strong longtermism” ..[snip].. According to Benjamin Todd, a founder of 80,000 Hours, longtermism “might well turn out to be one of the most important discoveries of effective altruism so far” ..[snip].. Projects devoted to global health and poverty still garner the most funding, but their share of the total allocation is shrinking as long-term-risk research attracts more cash. Both quotes from the linked article.
    - unmole 4y ago
      > And longtermism has taken over much of the EA movement Show me the money. Sci-Fi/Fantasy longtermst nerd concerns get a disproportionate amount of attention. But from what I can tell, most donations still go to charities dealing with malaria, deficiencies and vaccines: https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/2021-allocation-to-givewell-top-charities-why-were-giving-more-going-forward/ https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/2021-allocation-to... Sure, some people are getting paid thousands of dollars for navel gazing. But more than a billion dollars was donated to directly improve global health.
      - nl 4y ago
        It's great that over $1B was donated now for global health! But the highest ever grant was $55M for "potential risks from AI". The 4th and 6th highest grants were similar.[1] More recently[2] the highest ($10.7M) grant was for "Potential Risks from Advanced AI" and third highest grant ($2.3M) was for "longtermism" and there were 4 other similar grants on the first page. [1] https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=high-to-low#categories https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=high-to-low#ca... [2] https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=recent#categories https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=recent#categor...
- latency-guy2 4y ago
  Nah, it's an insult meant to lower the assumed position/opinion of whoever it was aimed at. Maybe in the past it meant what you describe it as, but I haven't seen that in any recent use. It's more or less a term one would use to signal to others to dogpile the person and get them to leave the conversation/topic, mostly by being absurdly obtuse and misconstruing their words to it's most literal meaning with nothing left to deem charitable if engaging, or just speaking to other people entirely and not towards the subject whatsoever. Kind of like how most insults devolve into in pretty much all social media, just another word to pull out of the ad-hom bag.

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nl 4y ago

"TechBros" doesn't mean "programmers". It broadly means something like "people who think tech will solve everything but don't think very deeply"

dchftcs 4y ago
And yet Effective Altruism in itself is not technology focused. There's no evidence that list of people (many philosophers) think tech will solve everything.
- nl 4y ago
  Longtermism explicitly is technology focused though: > Many longtermists reckon that the antidote to the threat from technology is more technology; mastering artificial intelligence will forestall a malevolent AI from enslaving us. They also believe that technological acceleration is morally good in its own right, as it enables the universe to sustain more people. Bostrom laments the lives lost every second that technological advances are delayed. In a paper from 2003 he invites readers to imagine all the “unused energy…being flushed down black holes”, and all the suns beyond our own that are “illuminating and heating empty rooms”, because we lack the means to populate the planets orbiting them And longtermism has taken over much of the EA movement: > Disillusioned effective altruists are dismayed by the increasing predominance of “strong longtermism” ..[snip].. According to Benjamin Todd, a founder of 80,000 Hours, longtermism “might well turn out to be one of the most important discoveries of effective altruism so far” ..[snip].. Projects devoted to global health and poverty still garner the most funding, but their share of the total allocation is shrinking as long-term-risk research attracts more cash. Both quotes from the linked article.
  - unmole 4y ago
    > And longtermism has taken over much of the EA movement Show me the money. Sci-Fi/Fantasy longtermst nerd concerns get a disproportionate amount of attention. But from what I can tell, most donations still go to charities dealing with malaria, deficiencies and vaccines: https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/2021-allocation-to-givewell-top-charities-why-were-giving-more-going-forward/ https://www.openphilanthropy.org/research/2021-allocation-to... Sure, some people are getting paid thousands of dollars for navel gazing. But more than a billion dollars was donated to directly improve global health.
    - nl 4y ago
      It's great that over $1B was donated now for global health! But the highest ever grant was $55M for "potential risks from AI". The 4th and 6th highest grants were similar.[1] More recently[2] the highest ($10.7M) grant was for "Potential Risks from Advanced AI" and third highest grant ($2.3M) was for "longtermism" and there were 4 other similar grants on the first page. [1] https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=high-to-low#categories https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=high-to-low#ca... [2] https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=recent#categories https://www.openphilanthropy.org/grants/?sort=recent#categor...
latency-guy2 4y ago
Nah, it's an insult meant to lower the assumed position/opinion of whoever it was aimed at. Maybe in the past it meant what you describe it as, but I haven't seen that in any recent use. It's more or less a term one would use to signal to others to dogpile the person and get them to leave the conversation/topic, mostly by being absurdly obtuse and misconstruing their words to it's most literal meaning with nothing left to deem charitable if engaging, or just speaking to other people entirely and not towards the subject whatsoever. Kind of like how most insults devolve into in pretty much all social media, just another word to pull out of the ad-hom bag.