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> If I ask you something nicely Asking nicely is when you submit a PR as well IMHO.

brigandish 4y ago
As we're discussing a Reddit alternative it seems apt to use the phrase "username checks out". No, asking nicely is not limited to issues that come with a PR.
- Quarrelsome 4y ago
  I just think if devs are working on smth for free and I want them to add a feature and they tell me they don't want to then complaining about their attitude is a waste of time as well as rather unbecoming. > As we're discussing a Reddit alternative it seems apt to use the phrase "username checks out". and trying to get something for free and then playing victim when you don't is somewhat akin to being a brigand, ain't it? I'm not entirely sure what such username games buy us given we seemingly both embrace negative connotations in our handles.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    Publishing work open source is not magical protection from criticism, nor from requests, especially when using software with an issue tracker that you leave open to anyone. Whether they receive money for it or not is also irrelevant - would their reaction or their decision be better if they earnt a million quid per issue? No, so let's not bother with such facile excuses. Furthermore, I haven't added anything to the project's issue tracker, and I didn't criticise them for turning down a request but the way they reacted to a request. Please try not to create straw man arguments because they're more convenient to rebut than what has actually been written, that's unbecoming.
    - Quarrelsome 4y ago
      > would their reaction or their decision be better if they earnt a million quid per issue? No, so let's not bother with such facile excuses. It would be super relevant if they got paid a million per issue by the community because then there would be an expectation of receiving something in exchange. Project maintainers don't owe you anything, the whole point of FOSS is that this doesn't matter because you can just fork it and make your own opinionated changes to circumvent differences of opinion instead of achieving nothing but negativity by hand-wringing over tone. > and I didn't criticise them for turning down a request but the way they reacted to a request. We can tone police the OP of that thread as well if you like. The way the OP effectively says: > this [what currently happens] is just bad > this [what I want] is much more sensible has the same capacity to appear aggressive in nature.
      - brigandish 4y ago
        > there would be an expectation of receiving something in exchange What's the issue tracker for and why is open beyond the core team? > We can tone police the OP of that thread as well if you like. The way the OP effectively says: > > this [what currently happens] is just bad > > this [what I want] is much more sensible > has the same capacity to appear aggressive in nature. I don't see the aggression. If you ask me for something and I respond with: - no, fuck off - I'm sorry but I don't think that meets the current aims of this project so we won't be doing it They're equally aggressive? Maybe you could give a better example because what I have right now is too absurd.

As we're discussing a Reddit alternative it seems apt to use the phrase "username checks out". No, asking nicely is not limited to issues that come with a PR.

Quarrelsome 4y ago
I just think if devs are working on smth for free and I want them to add a feature and they tell me they don't want to then complaining about their attitude is a waste of time as well as rather unbecoming. > As we're discussing a Reddit alternative it seems apt to use the phrase "username checks out". and trying to get something for free and then playing victim when you don't is somewhat akin to being a brigand, ain't it? I'm not entirely sure what such username games buy us given we seemingly both embrace negative connotations in our handles.
- brigandish 4y ago
  Publishing work open source is not magical protection from criticism, nor from requests, especially when using software with an issue tracker that you leave open to anyone. Whether they receive money for it or not is also irrelevant - would their reaction or their decision be better if they earnt a million quid per issue? No, so let's not bother with such facile excuses. Furthermore, I haven't added anything to the project's issue tracker, and I didn't criticise them for turning down a request but the way they reacted to a request. Please try not to create straw man arguments because they're more convenient to rebut than what has actually been written, that's unbecoming.
  - Quarrelsome 4y ago
    > would their reaction or their decision be better if they earnt a million quid per issue? No, so let's not bother with such facile excuses. It would be super relevant if they got paid a million per issue by the community because then there would be an expectation of receiving something in exchange. Project maintainers don't owe you anything, the whole point of FOSS is that this doesn't matter because you can just fork it and make your own opinionated changes to circumvent differences of opinion instead of achieving nothing but negativity by hand-wringing over tone. > and I didn't criticise them for turning down a request but the way they reacted to a request. We can tone police the OP of that thread as well if you like. The way the OP effectively says: > this [what currently happens] is just bad > this [what I want] is much more sensible has the same capacity to appear aggressive in nature.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      > there would be an expectation of receiving something in exchange What's the issue tracker for and why is open beyond the core team? > We can tone police the OP of that thread as well if you like. The way the OP effectively says: > > this [what currently happens] is just bad > > this [what I want] is much more sensible > has the same capacity to appear aggressive in nature. I don't see the aggression. If you ask me for something and I respond with: - no, fuck off - I'm sorry but I don't think that meets the current aims of this project so we won't be doing it They're equally aggressive? Maybe you could give a better example because what I have right now is too absurd.