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I think we really need to interrogate this idea that filter bubbles are a bad thing. Some of the biggest negatives of twitter (and positive in terms of engageme

I think we really need to interrogate this idea that filter bubbles are a bad thing. Some of the biggest negatives of twitter (and positive in terms of engagement) is that you have these groups that are opposed, and then a tweet from one bubble goes viral in another causing a war between bubbles. The exact same issue with brigading on reddit. Maybe we should trust people a little more, let people who agree have a space to agree and discuss their shared goals, interests and ideas, and then trust them enough to know that if they want to hear opposing views they know where to go.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
> and then trust them enough to know that if they want to hear opposing views they know where to go. Sounds great. But remind me from where all this brigading, canceling, preventing speech, and censorship is coming from.
fleddr 4y ago
That is fine, but the existence of a bubble on Twitter is often defined by having a common external enemy. That's what the participants inside the bubble have in common, and very often not much else. They aren't necessarily deep friends, these bubble people. Move such a bubble to friendly territory where there is only peace, and many will fall apart.
skissane 4y ago
> I think we really need to interrogate this idea that filter bubbles are a bad thing. Some of the biggest negatives of twitter (and positive in terms of engagement) is that you have these groups that are opposed, and then a tweet from one bubble goes viral in another causing a war between bubbles. "Thing from one bubble goes viral in another" doesn't require two bubbles to exist on the same platform, as in Twitter. If the two bubbles are segregated to different platforms, people will still post screenshots/etc of one on the other, and some of those will go viral. "Libs of TikTok" is a good example of this – TikTok and Twitter aren't federated, but that doesn't stop left-leaning TikToks becoming viral in right-leaning Twitter; and you can find plenty of stuff on TikTok critiquing "Libs of TikTok" (and Twitter more generally) in turn. Similarly, there are whole subreddits devoted to stoking outrage at screenshots of Twitter and Facebook posts. No doubt a shared platform accelerates this mutual feedback process a bit, simply by reducing the friction of cross-bubble quotation; but it still is going to happen a lot even without one.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

> and then trust them enough to know that if they want to hear opposing views they know where to go. Sounds great. But remind me from where all this brigading, canceling, preventing speech, and censorship is coming from.

fleddr 4y ago

That is fine, but the existence of a bubble on Twitter is often defined by having a common external enemy. That's what the participants inside the bubble have in common, and very often not much else. They aren't necessarily deep friends, these bubble people. Move such a bubble to friendly territory where there is only peace, and many will fall apart.

skissane 4y ago

> I think we really need to interrogate this idea that filter bubbles are a bad thing. Some of the biggest negatives of twitter (and positive in terms of engagement) is that you have these groups that are opposed, and then a tweet from one bubble goes viral in another causing a war between bubbles. "Thing from one bubble goes viral in another" doesn't require two bubbles to exist on the same platform, as in Twitter. If the two bubbles are segregated to different platforms, people will still post screenshots/etc of one on the other, and some of those will go viral. "Libs of TikTok" is a good example of this – TikTok and Twitter aren't federated, but that doesn't stop left-leaning TikToks becoming viral in right-leaning Twitter; and you can find plenty of stuff on TikTok critiquing "Libs of TikTok" (and Twitter more generally) in turn. Similarly, there are whole subreddits devoted to stoking outrage at screenshots of Twitter and Facebook posts. No doubt a shared platform accelerates this mutual feedback process a bit, simply by reducing the friction of cross-bubble quotation; but it still is going to happen a lot even without one.