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NATO could make the case that Russia needs to stop shooting missiles since they cannot aim. Alternatively, NATO could say that they can shoot down any Russian

NATO could make the case that Russia needs to stop shooting missiles since they cannot aim. Alternatively, NATO could say that they can shoot down any Russian missiles since Russia cannot be trusted and has bad aim. It's really suspicious that two missiles hit Poland. If it were one missile, it could be due to some kind of component failure that caused the missile to go off course. Two missiles are not likely to both fail, so that suggests Poland was targeted on purpose.

yrgulation 4y ago
My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens.
- TradingPlaces 4y ago
  Still very early but it looks like this was debris from intercepted missiles. From the Polish reporter who broke the story [Google Translate] >My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/1592595507427545088?s=61&t=BBicmG0Gqc6fnl879pe05Q https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/15925955074275450...
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  This is right by the border and not close to any "valuable" infrastructure. Clearly the lives of two people and their property are valuable! But wartime calculus has a heavy discount factor...
  - Ptchd 4y ago
    > This is right by the border 40 miles from the border
    - rich_sasha 4y ago
      I think it's this place: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 about 5 miles from the border at the closest.
- Yoofie 4y ago
  How do you know it wasn't a Ukrainian AA missile? Someone posted a telegram photo suggesting it was a S300 AA missile [1] What scares me is that everyone is speculating and jumping to conclusions without hard facts. Behaving this way can easily escalate some trivial situation into something more serious. [1]: https://t.me/intelslava/41141 https://t.me/intelslava/41141
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    A valid point, but my concern still stands. We should be able to capture any missiles coming in.
  - thehappypm 4y ago
    US intelligence says its Russian
    - pmoriarty 4y ago
      Where did you hear that? According to [1], Pentagon spokesperson Patrick Ryder said "we don't have any information at this time to corroborate those [press] reports" [1] - https://www.dw.com/en/nato-investigating-reports-of-russian-missile-strike-in-poland-live/a-63770954?platform=android&mobileApp=true https://www.dw.com/en/nato-investigating-reports-of-russian-...
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    Russia is increasingly using their S300s to attack ground targets. It's a bit of a waste of a sophisticated rocket, and the warhead is smaller, but the ones they fire tend to be reaching EOL anyway due to age. That, or lack of better alternatives. So could still be Russian.
  - avmich 4y ago
    > What scares me is that everyone is speculating and jumping to conclusions without hard facts. Stanisław Jerzy Lec said that it's shameful to suspect when you're certain. Russia has a well established reputation, so while investigation is needed, we can safely assume it's Russian rockets. We of course will be surprised if it happen to be false, but before that it should be logical to follow most likely explanation.
- thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
  >> My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens. Maybe Putin is testing the waters to see how NATO will respond? What better way to see the limits of missile interception, how leaders will react, how unified or divided NATO members are, etc.
Gumberclaus 4y ago
Cruise missiles and rockets are not the same. One is an unguided munition and the other is not. Nothing suggests Poland was targeted on purpose besides your fear-based rhetoric / war mongering. "Russia cannot be trusted and has bad aim". This war has turned everyone into a bunch of Russophobes and has really helped to shine a light on how many racist-ass people live in Eastern Europe. Not really surprising though since they hero worship this guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera - in Ukraine.

yrgulation 4y ago

My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens.

TradingPlaces 4y ago
Still very early but it looks like this was debris from intercepted missiles. From the Polish reporter who broke the story [Google Translate] >My sources in the services say that what hit Przewowo is most likely the remains of a rocket shot down by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/1592595507427545088?s=61&t=BBicmG0Gqc6fnl879pe05Q https://twitter.com/mariuszgierszew/status/15925955074275450...
rich_sasha 4y ago
This is right by the border and not close to any "valuable" infrastructure. Clearly the lives of two people and their property are valuable! But wartime calculus has a heavy discount factor...
- Ptchd 4y ago
  > This is right by the border 40 miles from the border
  - rich_sasha 4y ago
    I think it's this place: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 https://maps.app.goo.gl/dpYkJZwqswhHgeDd8 about 5 miles from the border at the closest.
Yoofie 4y ago
How do you know it wasn't a Ukrainian AA missile? Someone posted a telegram photo suggesting it was a S300 AA missile [1] What scares me is that everyone is speculating and jumping to conclusions without hard facts. Behaving this way can easily escalate some trivial situation into something more serious. [1]: https://t.me/intelslava/41141 https://t.me/intelslava/41141
- yrgulation 4y ago
  A valid point, but my concern still stands. We should be able to capture any missiles coming in.
- thehappypm 4y ago
  US intelligence says its Russian
  - pmoriarty 4y ago
    Where did you hear that? According to [1], Pentagon spokesperson Patrick Ryder said "we don't have any information at this time to corroborate those [press] reports" [1] - https://www.dw.com/en/nato-investigating-reports-of-russian-missile-strike-in-poland-live/a-63770954?platform=android&mobileApp=true https://www.dw.com/en/nato-investigating-reports-of-russian-...
- rich_sasha 4y ago
  Russia is increasingly using their S300s to attack ground targets. It's a bit of a waste of a sophisticated rocket, and the warhead is smaller, but the ones they fire tend to be reaching EOL anyway due to age. That, or lack of better alternatives. So could still be Russian.
- avmich 4y ago
  > What scares me is that everyone is speculating and jumping to conclusions without hard facts. Stanisław Jerzy Lec said that it's shameful to suspect when you're certain. Russia has a well established reputation, so while investigation is needed, we can safely assume it's Russian rockets. We of course will be surprised if it happen to be false, but before that it should be logical to follow most likely explanation.
thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
>> My real concern is why havent our systems intercepted them in due time? This not the first time it happens. Maybe Putin is testing the waters to see how NATO will respond? What better way to see the limits of missile interception, how leaders will react, how unified or divided NATO members are, etc.

Gumberclaus 4y ago

Cruise missiles and rockets are not the same. One is an unguided munition and the other is not. Nothing suggests Poland was targeted on purpose besides your fear-based rhetoric / war mongering. "Russia cannot be trusted and has bad aim". This war has turned everyone into a bunch of Russophobes and has really helped to shine a light on how many racist-ass people live in Eastern Europe. Not really surprising though since they hero worship this guy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera - in Ukraine.