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One missile just crossing over the border is an accident. It's kind of hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentiona

One missile just crossing over the border is an accident. It's kind of hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentionally. I mean, we are talking about Russian cruise missiles, so maybe their INUs are that bad, but still...

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yrgulation 4y ago
We _are_ talking about russian missiles, thats why no one is surprised they errored and are convinced this was an accident. The real question tho is why did our defence systems fail to intercept them?
- piva00 4y ago
  They fell right at the border (barely 6-7km away from Ukraine), I'd assume that there is no air defense prepared to shoot a target that close to the border before it could hit the ground. Air defense isn't impenetrable.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentionally Given the state of the Russian armed forces, it's not entirely surprising their missile accuracy is in the tens of miles.
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Hamuko 4y ago
We've had this masterpiece, so really anything is possible when it comes to Russian munitions and direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ
- playing_colours 4y ago
  They probably mixed target and launch coordinates when they programmed the missiles.
jltsiren 4y ago
Targeting error is always a possibility. Somebody read the map wrong and chose the wrong target without realizing it. No matter how much technology advances, warfare still involves incompetent idiots making choices under pressure based on partial and incorrect information. Sometimes those choices go wrong in a catastrophic way.
- etcet 4y ago
  Hi, Clippy here! It looks like you're about to attack a NATO member, have you double checked your attack coordinates?
Gumberclaus 4y ago
They're not missiles they are rockets - unguided munitions. It's easily understandable how two out of one-hundred plus rockets misses its target. In fact it's more understandable than all one-hundred hitting their targets dead on.
marcusverus 4y ago
"Russia has intentionally conducted an act of war (which did no serious damage nor improved Russia's strategic position) on an enemy that it cannot possibly defeat, for unknown reasons" doesn't really stand up to Occam's Razor, when "human error" is also on the menu.
- avmich 4y ago
  > doesn't really stand up to Occam's Razor, when "human error" is also on the menu. In questions like this, there should be some demonstration of attempts to avoid human errors. Here we have a massive attack on the whole territory, including regions at the border. We can wait for next actions from Russia - if they'd bring apologies and some good offers - but meantime it's a good idea to keep reaction going. After all, it's the approach proven to be most reliable when dealing with current Russia.
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  - vkou 4y ago
    > In questions like this, there should be some demonstration of attempts to avoid human errors. If I told you that a surgeon made two fatal mistakes, you can't conclude from that information whether or not he's made a lot, a little, or an average number of attempts to avoid human error in his work.
- 7952 4y ago
  Yes. I wonder if coordinates have to be entered manually.
  - v8xi 4y ago
    Seemingly, they do. Apparently its all loaded in via thumb drive. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2022/10/24/the-remote-control-killers-behind-russias-cruise-missile-strikes-on-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2022/10/24/the...
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ivan_gammel 4y ago
Can be one Russian X-101 and Ukrainian S300 which intercepted it. Could also explain how it landed on Polish territory: it is possible that interception only damaged Russian missile but took it off the course.
- beaylott1986 4y ago
  Very plausible.
IdPreferNotTo 4y ago
Remember - you're talking about a country that instead of turning the valve counterclockwise blows the underwater pipeline up.

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yrgulation 4y ago

We _are_ talking about russian missiles, thats why no one is surprised they errored and are convinced this was an accident. The real question tho is why did our defence systems fail to intercept them?

piva00 4y ago
They fell right at the border (barely 6-7km away from Ukraine), I'd assume that there is no air defense prepared to shoot a target that close to the border before it could hit the ground. Air defense isn't impenetrable.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> hard to see how two missiles could cross the border by more than a few miles unintentionally Given the state of the Russian armed forces, it's not entirely surprising their missile accuracy is in the tens of miles.

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Hamuko 4y ago

We've had this masterpiece, so really anything is possible when it comes to Russian munitions and direction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ

playing_colours 4y ago
They probably mixed target and launch coordinates when they programmed the missiles.

jltsiren 4y ago

Targeting error is always a possibility. Somebody read the map wrong and chose the wrong target without realizing it. No matter how much technology advances, warfare still involves incompetent idiots making choices under pressure based on partial and incorrect information. Sometimes those choices go wrong in a catastrophic way.

etcet 4y ago
Hi, Clippy here! It looks like you're about to attack a NATO member, have you double checked your attack coordinates?

Gumberclaus 4y ago

They're not missiles they are rockets - unguided munitions. It's easily understandable how two out of one-hundred plus rockets misses its target. In fact it's more understandable than all one-hundred hitting their targets dead on.

marcusverus 4y ago

"Russia has intentionally conducted an act of war (which did no serious damage nor improved Russia's strategic position) on an enemy that it cannot possibly defeat, for unknown reasons" doesn't really stand up to Occam's Razor, when "human error" is also on the menu.

avmich 4y ago
> doesn't really stand up to Occam's Razor, when "human error" is also on the menu. In questions like this, there should be some demonstration of attempts to avoid human errors. Here we have a massive attack on the whole territory, including regions at the border. We can wait for next actions from Russia - if they'd bring apologies and some good offers - but meantime it's a good idea to keep reaction going. After all, it's the approach proven to be most reliable when dealing with current Russia.
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- vkou 4y ago
  > In questions like this, there should be some demonstration of attempts to avoid human errors. If I told you that a surgeon made two fatal mistakes, you can't conclude from that information whether or not he's made a lot, a little, or an average number of attempts to avoid human error in his work.
7952 4y ago
Yes. I wonder if coordinates have to be entered manually.
- v8xi 4y ago
  Seemingly, they do. Apparently its all loaded in via thumb drive. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2022/10/24/the-remote-control-killers-behind-russias-cruise-missile-strikes-on-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2022/10/24/the...
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ivan_gammel 4y ago

Can be one Russian X-101 and Ukrainian S300 which intercepted it. Could also explain how it landed on Polish territory: it is possible that interception only damaged Russian missile but took it off the course.

beaylott1986 4y ago
Very plausible.

IdPreferNotTo 4y ago

Remember - you're talking about a country that instead of turning the valve counterclockwise blows the underwater pipeline up.