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Just to confirm that I understand this correctly, that clear case is really 3D printed? I don't follow 3D printing too closely, but I did not think that somethi

by jansan 4y ago

Just to confirm that I understand this correctly, that clear case is really 3D printed? I don't follow 3D printing too closely, but I did not think that something like this would be possible.

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1MachineElf 4y ago
I did not think so either, although, SLA is the one method I'd guess, if I had to, just going by the main picture. SLA is indeed the process they used, but what really surprised me was that it's offered as a 3D printing service from JLPCB and PCBWay.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Did some searching because I was impressed with the quality as well, and I think they may technically be using polyjet instead of SLA.
- javawizard 4y ago
  Yeah this is definitely an SLA print. SLA is capable of amazing quality with respect to both dimensional tolerances and overall appearance of finished product. I've been on the fence about getting one. This post might be the thing that pushes me over the edge. HN readers: what SLA printers do you recommend?
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    I have an SLA printer (Prusa SL1) and rarely use it Unless you get an industrial printer, dimensional accuracy gets messy with SLA. Slicers can try and compensate, but you end up having to work around warping For organic shapes like figures I'm sure it's great, but as someone who prints functional items 99% of the time I'd rather tune an FDM printer than fight with my messy SLA machine
    - javawizard 4y ago
      Good to know. How bad exactly would you say accuracy is? Are we talking about a few hundreds of micrometers or a millimeter or more?
      - BoorishBears 4y ago
        Tenths of a millimeter not much worse than FDM in vacuum... the problem is those tenths vary based on shape (even more than with FDM), and can be non-uniform across a surface (flat surfaces tend to end up warped pretty easily)
  - johnwalkr 4y ago
    We had a form labs printer at work and while the resolution was great, it was very messy to deal with, parts were brittle, curing took a long time, support structure was annoying to remove (and very time consuming to remove traces of), and over weeks or months most parts with any significant feature longer in one dimension warped. I don’t think anyone used it once as soon as we got an FDM printer.
    - javawizard 4y ago
      > and over weeks or months most parts with any significant feature longer in one dimension warped That's alarming. How bad are we talking about, like millimeters or fractions thereof? I really, really like the appearance of the case from TFA and would love to build similar enclosures for my projects, but if that comes at the expense of noticeable long term dimensional instability, no thanks.
      - johnwalkr 4y ago
        In a 10cm part, could get someone 3mm of warping perpendicular to the longest dimension. Admittedly, this can be mitigated by adding ribs and being careful about curing, but between this, messiness and brittleness, it was just fussy compared to FDM printing. This was already five years ago so I wouldn’t discount the technology altogether, I would just check for the printer and material you’re interested in.
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  - skykooler 4y ago
    I have an Epax 3D and I've been pretty satisfied with it, although it does have a pretty small build area.
- echeese 4y ago
  I don't get how they got it so clear and without support marks.
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drewzero1 4y ago
I've just been getting started with FDM printing since this summer, and after getting to know the limitations of my printer I'm even more amazed at the smoothness and resolution that some resin printers are getting. (I've even heard of people starting to print optical lenses[0], which I can hardly imagine.) You can really see the difference in resolution in the image with the different bottom shell! 0: https://www.cuddleburrito.com/blog/2015/10/13/3d-printing-virtual-reality-goggles-for-iphone-6-plus https://www.cuddleburrito.com/blog/2015/10/13/3d-printing-vi...
- vintagedave 4y ago
  > heard of people starting to print That article is dated 2015! If they could do that seven years ago, what is state of the art now?
- sdenton4 4y ago
  Note that the lenses do require extra work after the initial printing: "Finally, endless sanding and polishing created a clear-enough lens."
  - drewzero1 4y ago
    I would have assumed some post-processing would be necessary to create a polished surface, but what really blows me away is that it's possible to make the entire interior void-free and consistently dense to create a transparent lens with no air bubbles or interior pockets. I can't even do that molding resin by hand.
adamweld 4y ago
It's SLA resin printed by PCBWay. https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/3d-printing/plastic/resin/UTR-8100/ https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/3d-printing/plastic...
rkangel 4y ago
Some people have talked about SLA. We have a Project MJP at work (https://www.3dsystems.com/3d-printers/plastic https://www.3dsystems.com/3d-printers/plastic). It uses UV cured resins for its printing, it also prints in wax for the support structures, so you can just melt them away with an oil bath afterwards. The quality of the results is excellent - you can print some really fine detailed parts. The downside is cost (print and the materials) and the fact that the materials involved are pretty nasty - they come with some major warnings about causing infertility and cancer just for coming into contact.

by jansan 4y ago

Just to confirm that I understand this correctly, that clear case is really 3D printed? I don't follow 3D printing too closely, but I did not think that something like this would be possible.

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1MachineElf 4y ago

I did not think so either, although, SLA is the one method I'd guess, if I had to, just going by the main picture. SLA is indeed the process they used, but what really surprised me was that it's offered as a 3D printing service from JLPCB and PCBWay.

kube-system 4y ago
Did some searching because I was impressed with the quality as well, and I think they may technically be using polyjet instead of SLA.
javawizard 4y ago
Yeah this is definitely an SLA print. SLA is capable of amazing quality with respect to both dimensional tolerances and overall appearance of finished product. I've been on the fence about getting one. This post might be the thing that pushes me over the edge. HN readers: what SLA printers do you recommend?
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  I have an SLA printer (Prusa SL1) and rarely use it Unless you get an industrial printer, dimensional accuracy gets messy with SLA. Slicers can try and compensate, but you end up having to work around warping For organic shapes like figures I'm sure it's great, but as someone who prints functional items 99% of the time I'd rather tune an FDM printer than fight with my messy SLA machine
  - javawizard 4y ago
    Good to know. How bad exactly would you say accuracy is? Are we talking about a few hundreds of micrometers or a millimeter or more?
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      Tenths of a millimeter not much worse than FDM in vacuum... the problem is those tenths vary based on shape (even more than with FDM), and can be non-uniform across a surface (flat surfaces tend to end up warped pretty easily)
- johnwalkr 4y ago
  We had a form labs printer at work and while the resolution was great, it was very messy to deal with, parts were brittle, curing took a long time, support structure was annoying to remove (and very time consuming to remove traces of), and over weeks or months most parts with any significant feature longer in one dimension warped. I don’t think anyone used it once as soon as we got an FDM printer.
  - javawizard 4y ago
    > and over weeks or months most parts with any significant feature longer in one dimension warped That's alarming. How bad are we talking about, like millimeters or fractions thereof? I really, really like the appearance of the case from TFA and would love to build similar enclosures for my projects, but if that comes at the expense of noticeable long term dimensional instability, no thanks.
    - johnwalkr 4y ago
      In a 10cm part, could get someone 3mm of warping perpendicular to the longest dimension. Admittedly, this can be mitigated by adding ribs and being careful about curing, but between this, messiness and brittleness, it was just fussy compared to FDM printing. This was already five years ago so I wouldn’t discount the technology altogether, I would just check for the printer and material you’re interested in.
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- skykooler 4y ago
  I have an Epax 3D and I've been pretty satisfied with it, although it does have a pretty small build area.
echeese 4y ago
I don't get how they got it so clear and without support marks.

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drewzero1 4y ago

I've just been getting started with FDM printing since this summer, and after getting to know the limitations of my printer I'm even more amazed at the smoothness and resolution that some resin printers are getting. (I've even heard of people starting to print optical lenses[0], which I can hardly imagine.) You can really see the difference in resolution in the image with the different bottom shell! 0: https://www.cuddleburrito.com/blog/2015/10/13/3d-printing-virtual-reality-goggles-for-iphone-6-plus https://www.cuddleburrito.com/blog/2015/10/13/3d-printing-vi...

vintagedave 4y ago
> heard of people starting to print That article is dated 2015! If they could do that seven years ago, what is state of the art now?
sdenton4 4y ago
Note that the lenses do require extra work after the initial printing: "Finally, endless sanding and polishing created a clear-enough lens."
- drewzero1 4y ago
  I would have assumed some post-processing would be necessary to create a polished surface, but what really blows me away is that it's possible to make the entire interior void-free and consistently dense to create a transparent lens with no air bubbles or interior pockets. I can't even do that molding resin by hand.

adamweld 4y ago

It's SLA resin printed by PCBWay. https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/3d-printing/plastic/resin/UTR-8100/ https://www.pcbway.com/rapid-prototyping/3d-printing/plastic...

rkangel 4y ago

Some people have talked about SLA. We have a Project MJP at work (https://www.3dsystems.com/3d-printers/plastic https://www.3dsystems.com/3d-printers/plastic). It uses UV cured resins for its printing, it also prints in wax for the support structures, so you can just melt them away with an oil bath afterwards. The quality of the results is excellent - you can print some really fine detailed parts. The downside is cost (print and the materials) and the fact that the materials involved are pretty nasty - they come with some major warnings about causing infertility and cancer just for coming into contact.