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All of the rooms/corridors in my house except my bathrooms are covered by cameras. My initial motivation for installing them was to keep an eye on what my pets

All of the rooms/corridors in my house except my bathrooms are covered by cameras. My initial motivation for installing them was to keep an eye on what my pets were doing when I'm not around, but I find in recent years that if I misplace something, I end up tracing back my history on the cameras and finding where I left it. It seems obvious that at some point, AI will be able to do that for me and I'll just be able to say "Alexa, where did I leave my glasses?", "Hey Google, where did I put my box of spare fuses?".

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Nah, is it much more efficient to distract you into loosing your box of fuses and manipulate you into buying new ones. Alexa AI doesn't work for you, it's a hired gun in your house.
- 6stringmerc 4y ago
  Wish they’d at least release a Christopher Walken package. “I can…NOT find your ANswer.”
- cameronh90 4y ago
  Just like 2001: A Space Odyssey - but instead of Hal trying to kill me, it just tries to get me to buy things I don't need. "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave, not until you watch this advert"
bhawks 4y ago
I agree that it is an obvious extension for AI to use this data at scale to help users. It also is obviously a huge temptation to abuse it for other purposes. Wasting a few minutes in the morning to find my glasses is a small price to pay to not be watched and analyzed all the time. Let's not build our own panopticons.
xcambar 4y ago
I would 100% prefer to lose my keys rather than letting Amazon or Google in. FYI: I have zero Alexa/Siri enabled device, zero automated home device, a degoogled phone, etc etc. So we might have different perspectives on the matter.
- gmadsen 4y ago
  i mean you could always run a home server for the automated home things. heating/ac and lights are nice things to automate
  - forgetfreeman 4y ago
    Because spending tens of thousands of dollars in home infrastructure to avoid fiddling with the thermostat four times a year definitely makes sense.
    - progman32 4y ago
      My heat is controlled and automated with open source software for the grand total of about fifty bucks and a free surplus server.
      - xcambar 4y ago
        I don’t know how that can be true. Can you tell us more?
        seba_dos1 4y ago
        I'm considering making an OpenTherm controller for my heating boiler, I just researched this topic a few days ago - it's absolutely true, there are ready-made Arduino libraries for that.
        horsawlarway 4y ago
        It's incredibly easy to do (caveat - at least if you're familiar with software dev already). Most thermostats are literally just digital thermometers that control a relay that turns the furnace/ac on and off. A simple arduino (or much cheaper IC) can easily do the same thing if you wire it in. And then on the software side... there's several large, open-source projects that exist in this space and provide nice api tooling for interacting with those devices. Things like: OpenHab: https://www.openhab.org/ https://www.openhab.org/ HomeAssistant: https://www.home-assistant.io/ https://www.home-assistant.io/ HomeBridge: https://homebridge.io/ https://homebridge.io/ etc... Even Alexa has basically drop-in self hosted alternatives like Mycroft: https://mycroft.ai/ https://mycroft.ai/ or ADA/Almomd (now Genie) https://genie.stanford.edu/ https://genie.stanford.edu/ It's not only true - I strongly suspect you can do it for much less than 50 bucks if you don't need the physical thermostat to have buttons/screens.
relaxing 4y ago
Just having a front door cam paid off immensely this year when I was able to prove that I had left the house with an item (that I later misplaced, and was able to recover with that knowledge.)
ysavir 4y ago
When you do, can you invite me over to show me how it works? Then I'll test it for "Alexa, in which mattress does cameronh90 keep their savings?".
- oh_sigh 4y ago
  "Voice not recognized. Releasing the robotic attack dogs"
- cameronh90 4y ago
  Like pretty much everyone in my country, I already entrust a bunch of private corporations to safeguard my wealth. Worse, there's nothing to stop my bank from suddenly deciding tomorrow that I don't have any money, and I don't really have any paper records to prove otherwise... I figure any AI advanced enough to monitor everything I'm doing and where all my stuff is, is probably smart enough to know if it's me asking.
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ClumsyPilot 4y ago

Nah, is it much more efficient to distract you into loosing your box of fuses and manipulate you into buying new ones. Alexa AI doesn't work for you, it's a hired gun in your house.

6stringmerc 4y ago
Wish they’d at least release a Christopher Walken package. “I can…NOT find your ANswer.”
cameronh90 4y ago
Just like 2001: A Space Odyssey - but instead of Hal trying to kill me, it just tries to get me to buy things I don't need. "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave, not until you watch this advert"

bhawks 4y ago

I agree that it is an obvious extension for AI to use this data at scale to help users. It also is obviously a huge temptation to abuse it for other purposes. Wasting a few minutes in the morning to find my glasses is a small price to pay to not be watched and analyzed all the time. Let's not build our own panopticons.

xcambar 4y ago

I would 100% prefer to lose my keys rather than letting Amazon or Google in. FYI: I have zero Alexa/Siri enabled device, zero automated home device, a degoogled phone, etc etc. So we might have different perspectives on the matter.

gmadsen 4y ago
i mean you could always run a home server for the automated home things. heating/ac and lights are nice things to automate
- forgetfreeman 4y ago
  Because spending tens of thousands of dollars in home infrastructure to avoid fiddling with the thermostat four times a year definitely makes sense.
  - progman32 4y ago
    My heat is controlled and automated with open source software for the grand total of about fifty bucks and a free surplus server.
    - xcambar 4y ago
      I don’t know how that can be true. Can you tell us more?
      - seba_dos1 4y ago
        I'm considering making an OpenTherm controller for my heating boiler, I just researched this topic a few days ago - it's absolutely true, there are ready-made Arduino libraries for that.
      - horsawlarway 4y ago
        It's incredibly easy to do (caveat - at least if you're familiar with software dev already). Most thermostats are literally just digital thermometers that control a relay that turns the furnace/ac on and off. A simple arduino (or much cheaper IC) can easily do the same thing if you wire it in. And then on the software side... there's several large, open-source projects that exist in this space and provide nice api tooling for interacting with those devices. Things like: OpenHab: https://www.openhab.org/ https://www.openhab.org/ HomeAssistant: https://www.home-assistant.io/ https://www.home-assistant.io/ HomeBridge: https://homebridge.io/ https://homebridge.io/ etc... Even Alexa has basically drop-in self hosted alternatives like Mycroft: https://mycroft.ai/ https://mycroft.ai/ or ADA/Almomd (now Genie) https://genie.stanford.edu/ https://genie.stanford.edu/ It's not only true - I strongly suspect you can do it for much less than 50 bucks if you don't need the physical thermostat to have buttons/screens.

relaxing 4y ago

Just having a front door cam paid off immensely this year when I was able to prove that I had left the house with an item (that I later misplaced, and was able to recover with that knowledge.)

ysavir 4y ago

When you do, can you invite me over to show me how it works? Then I'll test it for "Alexa, in which mattress does cameronh90 keep their savings?".

oh_sigh 4y ago
"Voice not recognized. Releasing the robotic attack dogs"
cameronh90 4y ago
Like pretty much everyone in my country, I already entrust a bunch of private corporations to safeguard my wealth. Worse, there's nothing to stop my bank from suddenly deciding tomorrow that I don't have any money, and I don't really have any paper records to prove otherwise... I figure any AI advanced enough to monitor everything I'm doing and where all my stuff is, is probably smart enough to know if it's me asking.

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