>the hyping of hydrogen is a desperate astroturfing campaign by oil/gas/nuclear to stave off EVs and wind/solar/battery which is eating their lunch in raw econo

>the hyping of hydrogen is a desperate astroturfing campaign by oil/gas/nuclear to stave off EVs and wind/solar/battery which is eating their lunch in raw economics Meanwhile, in reality, gas (not sure why you lumped in nuclear but others have already called you out on it) are providing the lion's share of reliable power generation and will continue to do so for decades. Even after 2050, you'll still need gas-fired generation to provide a backup to intermitten generation from wind/solar, which WILL need it, a lesson that California has yet to learn. As for oil, it's an incredibly dense form of energy which can be stored in a tin can. Even with battery storage wind/solar will never have that ability. Tired of HN's need to put ideology over real economics.