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Lucid announces new lower priced sedans
- Ptchd 4y agoTitle is "Lucid Air Touring and Air Pure Now Ready for the Road with Market-Leading Range"
- msla 4y agoContinuing the trend of all cars looking the same.
- germinalphrase 4y agoIs this sameness driven by aerodynamic constraints? Design has always been such a significant part of automotive development…
- qbrass 4y agoThere are various other hard and soft constraints (aero, weight, safety, general component placement) that are all fed into a constraint solver to generate the basic design of the car. Each class of vehicle tends to have the same set of constraints, and they more or less use the same constraint solver software industry-wide, so they all get the same basic shape at the end.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoHardly, that trend is reversing IMO. https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/2/23434740/weird-cars-gimmicks-ev-hyundai-kia-genesis https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/2/23434740/weird-cars-gimmi...
- dymk 4y agoAside from them (mostly) having four wheels... do you really think they look the same? I can usually guess the make of a car from its headlights and grill in my rear-view mirror. There's plenty that differentiates the look of a car. And I'm far from a car buff.
- msla 4y agoYes, they do look the same. I have to look at the decal and text to tell one model from another.
- rapsey 4y agoKia, Hyundai, Peugeot, Citroen, Honda have some pretty unique looking cars on the market.
- msla 4y agoKias look just like Fords unless you're comparing a sedan to a pickup truck.
- Tagbert 4y agoOnly if you really squint your eyes and ignore details. EV6 https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6a1fbdbf2c19407a9a3707142cbd65f1?rik=rN0QOHQ3QPeMfw&riu=http%3a%2f%2fres.heraldm.com%2fcontent%2fimage%2f2021%2f05%2f05%2f20210505000028_0.jpg&ehk=AFtdtHdDRDo3yq9dfspSiiMFnG4ea%2fqzRYiMDWxH%2b8M%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0 https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.6a1fbdbf2c19407a9a3707142cbd65f1... Soul https://media.autoexpress.co.uk/image/private/s--anPXhP3S--/v1563182808/autoexpress/2018/11/01_44.jpg https://media.autoexpress.co.uk/image/private/s--anPXhP3S--/...
- alphabettsy 4y agoI see this occasionally and I wonder when cars didn’t look somewhat similar. A ‘57 Chevy and ‘57 Ford look very similar if you don’t know what to look for. Can’t be the 80s either.
- dtagames 4y agoI was excited about Lucid enough to buy a tiny bit of stock before the car came out. This change to a newer, more expensive model, is the exact opposite of their announced strategy of reducing price thorough successive iterations. The Air Sapphire is a quarter of a million dollars. How is this company helping attract wide attention for affordable electric cars in America, where it produces them? I'm not thrilled.
- tromp 4y agoThe article mentions both more expensive (Sapphire) and less expensive (Pure) models...
- dtagames 4y agoI know. And the less expensive version is part of the original plan. What disappoints me is that adding another, more expensive model can only consume resources that could have gone to bringing it down further.
- nomel 4y ago> more expensive model can only consume resources that could have gone to bringing it down further. I don't think this is how it works. That more expensive model probably has much higher profits, and may be subsidizing the less expensive one.
- _ea1k 4y agoThey are way behind on their volume goals. Without volume, they can't afford lower margin vehicles.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoAffordable electric cars aren’t profitable currently. Go where the margin is.
- dtagames 4y agoIn Europe, many of the same companies offer a wide variety of electric models -- and at much lower prices than electric cars here in the US. As one of the few companies to have purpose-built both electric car and battery factories in America, I had hoped Lucid could be a vector for moving things in that direction. But the market here seems to only want and care about ever-more-premium electrics. Even Nissan, with arguably the best plug-in EV in its Leaf model, decided to discontinue the entire line in order to make more expensive Ariya models. This is not the case in Europe, where all of the top brands have multiple electrics on offer.
- paxys 4y ago"Lower price" being $87,400 – $107,400 (starting)
- bityard 4y agoSo still firmly in luxury car territory. Just can't imagine spending as much on a car as many people spend on a house.
- nomel 4y ago> as many people spend on a house Where are houses $100k, these days? Or do you mean down payment?
- Finnucane 4y agoDetroit.
- dsr_ 4y agohttps://www.zillow.com/homedetails/36-Fenderson-St-Painted-Post-NY-14870/32578139_zpid/ https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/36-Fenderson-St-Painted-P... When people ask me where I grew up, I tell them "Big Flats, between Horseheads and Painted Post." Then they usually ask if that's in Australia.
- bityard 4y agoLots of places in the US in between the coasts. Not at all difficult to find on the usual real estate websites. You don't get much land, of course, for that kind of money. But you can certainly find a place to live.
- tromp 4y ago> will be followed next year with a single-motor, rear-wheel-drive variant This will be more reasonably priced and more interesting for most people, who have little need for 3.4s acceleration to 60mph.
- ctvo 4y agoPriced the economical Lucid Air with a few upgrades. Came out to be $99,900. I think they're gorgeous, but I can't do it when, surprisingly, e-bikes gets me where I want to go locally without fuss. Short / medium trips: e-bike Long trips: rent a very high-end car. This whole industry can be improved so much. I think a lot more people will fall into this category as micro-mobility takes off. I want to splurge on a fancy car for a week, not own one. Medium trips / hauling cargo: ?? If I were to buy a car again I think it'd be a pick-up to haul things.
- ericmay 4y agoI completely agree. I'd love to see long trips: ride a train added here as well. > I think it'd be a pick-up to haul things. Small trucks or transit vans are great for this, but similarly you can just rent a truck or have delivery. Probably would be cheaper than buying a vehicle. Depends on the use case.
- 650REDHAIR 4y agoWhere do you live? I loved my ebike and scooter, but on the 10th anniversary of me waking up in an ambulance after a car struck my bike I was hit by a car while on my scooter. I’ve given up on micromobility in SF. It’s not worth me dying over.
- ctvo 4y agoNYC, which isn't the best bike city in the world, but for where we want to go (~2-3 miles at most, in Manhattan / Brooklyn) it works out well.
- jms703 4y agoMost people I know that want electric cars are stuck with underpowered electrical service and panels and too much redtape and delay involved with upgrading their service. My current utility (PG&E) just told me it is 1.5 to 2 years to get my service upgraded.
- chroma 4y agoYou shouldn't need help from the utility to add a charger in your garage. An electrician can do it. It's the same as adding an outlet for a dryer or oven.
- dan353hehe 4y agoI believe the OP is saying that the service to their house is underpowered. Meaning the wire conductors that run from their house aren’t rated for a lot of current. For example my house is only rated for 120 Amps total, and to upgrade that I would have to contact the electrical company and have them install new wires to my house.
- cannaceo 4y agoYou need help from a utility if you have an old home without adequate service from the electric company. Common example is your home is on 100amp service and that is entirely consumed by TVs, kitchen appliances, HVAC, etc.
- abfan1127 4y agothis isn't necessarily true. Ford's Lightning has an 80A charger that many homes can't support. They do offer a slower charger, but it impacts charge times. https://chargers.ford.com https://chargers.ford.com
- _ea1k 4y agoEven with the Lightning, very few people would need an 80A for their daily usage. Though the dryer plug mentioned above would be a little on the low side. Even that would be good for between 100 and 150 miles per day.
- fayalargeau 4y agomarcus brownlee did a great review of their car (not this one specifically). I recommend everyone take the time to watch it if they're interested. He's a big tesla fanboy but definitely gives lucid a LOT of credit on things they do better than tesla. Came off as very balanced and fair
- e40 4y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yjRIcRc9qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yjRIcRc9qY MKBHD is an awesome reviewer of many things. I just love his videos.
- flutas 4y ago> MKBHD is an awesome reviewer of many things. I want to disagree with you there, but if I do basically all other YT reviewers get thrown into the mix too. Let me preface this with: I haven't watched his reviews, or most reviewers in a year or two. So many of them just read the spec sheets to a camera, then add something like "It's amazing to me, personally I've loved (insert some aspect of the device the marketing department is focusing on this year)." Now, to be specific with him, to me it seems like he just doesn't care anymore. So many flubs that should have just been reshot, or him reading a spec sheet wrong. But I think this is a symptom of nobody (ok, the general public) really wanting in depth testing reviews. They want eye candy that reassures their pre-made decision.
- _ea1k 4y agoI was able to look at one up close in a showroom. I was really impressed with the interior design and overall feel of the vehicle. Its definitely a niche market product in the US, though. The US is very much an SUV driven market. I expect the Gravity to be very successful, especially if they can get their early software issues out of the way by then.
- unboxingelf 4y agoAm I the only one that thinks the pricing on cars these days is ridiculous!? $100k for a car? I guess that’s what you get for printing money for over a decade.
- rocket_surgeron 4y agoThe cheaper EVs like the Chevy Bolt start at $26,500. To put the $26,500 in perspective, in 1972 that would have been $3,700. That's within the same ballpark of a 1972 Ford Torino with some options (like air conditioning). Unless you really need that extra 20 cubic feet of cargo capacity, the Bolt is superior in nearly every aspect. I picked 1972 because that was the last year before the oil crisis, which caused car prices to start skyrocketing year-over-year until the late 90s. The Lucid Air is a low-production (fewer than Porsche 911s) luxury/performance sedan that exceeds most performance figures of supercars from the 90s/2000s and is not a valid price floor to compare against. There are plenty of inexpensive cars. The Chevy Spark is cheaper today than almost any car in US history, even stripped-down VW Beetles from the 60s and 70s-- which had been the cheapest bare-bones cars in the US for decades. If you go to a lot asking for a Spark the salespeople will do the "jump in the air and kick their heels together" thing because lots are full of them, rotting away. People don't want cheap cars, though.
- vayr 4y agoI have trouble supporting a company that's backed by Saudi Arabia. I'm not currently in the market for a luxury electric car but this company would be a non-starter for me