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There is nothing about “intersectional scientific method” anywhere on the internet or on the org’s website. https://www.vanguardstem.com/serch https://www.vangu

There is nothing about “intersectional scientific method” anywhere on the internet or on the org’s website. https://www.vanguardstem.com/serch https://www.vanguardstem.com/serch. Non profits (WMF) grant money to programs that directly or indirectly affect the content of all products offered by the WMF. It’s not just Wikipedia. There are grants that goto volunteers to increase editorship/authorship of non English Wikipedia or in countries and culture where Wikipedia does not have as many articles. Calling this culture wars and simply saying “the money doesn’t goto hosting” is low complexity thinking that fails to account for all the things the foundation does.

p0pcult 4y ago
https://conversations.vanguardstem.com/hotsciencesummer-faq-412f2a0d7c8f https://conversations.vanguardstem.com/hotsciencesummer-faq-... >What is the intersectional scientific methodology? The Intersectional Scientific Methodology (ISM) is the concept that your identities and experiences influence your science. We coined this term in our peer-reviewed article. You will need to address how your project incorporates embodied observation, embedded context, and/or collective impact in the additional information section of your proposal to be eligible for a boost. This isn't nearly the bogeyman people would have you believe it is. One's "identities and experiences" can easily influence which questions they are and aren't addressing (intentionally or not). None of this "intersectional scientific method" seems, however, to degrade the scientific method itself.
- woooooo 4y ago
  Five years ago it was just some crazy college kids, pay them no mind, now they have institutional control of HR departments and college administrations. Scientists in academia have to write proper ideological statements about how "woke" they are in order to research fluid dynamics. Until this kind of thing gets successful pushback, we should assume they'll continue to reorient institutions around the culture war and there will be no outbreak of common sense.
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    Knowing, acknowledging and accounting for one's own biases is just good science. You wouldn't use a thermometer that was always 10C too high to measure and reports temperatures, without pointing out that the thermometer has a 10C bias, would you? Why would you oppose introspection about oneself and one's own potential biases in knowledge production?
    - woooooo 4y ago
      Explicitly enforcing biases towards a particular ideological project is not "unbiasing", though, it's more bias. Maybe I'm engaging in FUD and these people will be content with some minor efforts towards restraining bias, but in my experience it's never enough.
      - p0pcult 4y ago
        Maybe I am missing the part where is says there is a particular ideological project beyond better science? You act like bias isn't actually a problem in science, but when I think back to the number of studies recruiting on campus at my Highly Selective Undergrad Institution (TM), and cross reference that with the student population, it's really easy to understand the claims that science is WEIRD[1]. [1] https://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/05/weird https://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/05/weird
        woooooo 4y ago
        You're describing a very legitimate sampling error problem. I'm describing forced ideological conformity. Both exist in academia today. If, in the spirit of the proposed "bias declaiming section", a social scientist made a point of saying that they're systematically biased against conservative and white/rural viewpoints, how do you think that would go over? Pat on the back for introspection?
        arrrg 4y ago
        I think so, yeah, sure. Why don’t you think so? "Our own academic perspective limits us e.g. in our survey design and language, making it harder for us to connect with our respondents" is something I heard and learned over and over and over again.
- darksaints 4y ago
  Yeah, it seems like people are just trying to find something to disagree with. It is absolutely true in the social sciences. Eugenics anyone? There are mountains of shit science out there that is rooted in the bias of the scientist.
  - tomp 4y ago
    Almost everyone that has kids actively practices eugenics (unless you literally have unprotected sex with literally everyone).
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      "the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups." uhhhh, no.
      - tomp 4y ago
        Funny enough, it’s the Jews that extensively practice eugenics these days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dor_Yeshorim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dor_Yeshorim > Its objective is to minimize, and eventually eliminate, the incidence of genetic disorders common to Jewish people, such as Tay–Sachs disease.
      - whatshisface 4y ago
        The OP was just saying that most of the non-ineffable things about love are natural selection, and that what the eugenicists wanted was already happening naturally. Nature is cruel after all.
        p0pcult 4y ago
        "actively practices" is the polar opposite of natural selection. To wit: "Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not."[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
- jl6 4y ago
  > “ A STEM creative is anyone interested in and thinking about questions in STEM, period. We use the term STEM creative to highlight and emphasize that one does NOT need to be a “scientist” in order to launch a #HotScienceSummer project. You don’t even need a STEM or any degree!” It seems like a science engagement project rather than an attempt to do actual scientific research.
hagy 4y ago
Yes, and if their banner ads for donations focused on that then many of would be more comfortable donating. Our concern is their deceptive ads that give the impression that Wikipedia is struggling to pay the bills for serving Wikipedia.
noobermin 4y ago
Sorry to ask in multiple places, but people keep discussing this but this isn't talked about at all in the OP. Was the link changed?

p0pcult 4y ago

https://conversations.vanguardstem.com/hotsciencesummer-faq-412f2a0d7c8f https://conversations.vanguardstem.com/hotsciencesummer-faq-... >What is the intersectional scientific methodology? The Intersectional Scientific Methodology (ISM) is the concept that your identities and experiences influence your science. We coined this term in our peer-reviewed article. You will need to address how your project incorporates embodied observation, embedded context, and/or collective impact in the additional information section of your proposal to be eligible for a boost. This isn't nearly the bogeyman people would have you believe it is. One's "identities and experiences" can easily influence which questions they are and aren't addressing (intentionally or not). None of this "intersectional scientific method" seems, however, to degrade the scientific method itself.

woooooo 4y ago
Five years ago it was just some crazy college kids, pay them no mind, now they have institutional control of HR departments and college administrations. Scientists in academia have to write proper ideological statements about how "woke" they are in order to research fluid dynamics. Until this kind of thing gets successful pushback, we should assume they'll continue to reorient institutions around the culture war and there will be no outbreak of common sense.
- p0pcult 4y ago
  Knowing, acknowledging and accounting for one's own biases is just good science. You wouldn't use a thermometer that was always 10C too high to measure and reports temperatures, without pointing out that the thermometer has a 10C bias, would you? Why would you oppose introspection about oneself and one's own potential biases in knowledge production?
  - woooooo 4y ago
    Explicitly enforcing biases towards a particular ideological project is not "unbiasing", though, it's more bias. Maybe I'm engaging in FUD and these people will be content with some minor efforts towards restraining bias, but in my experience it's never enough.
    - p0pcult 4y ago
      Maybe I am missing the part where is says there is a particular ideological project beyond better science? You act like bias isn't actually a problem in science, but when I think back to the number of studies recruiting on campus at my Highly Selective Undergrad Institution (TM), and cross reference that with the student population, it's really easy to understand the claims that science is WEIRD[1]. [1] https://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/05/weird https://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/05/weird
      - woooooo 4y ago
        You're describing a very legitimate sampling error problem. I'm describing forced ideological conformity. Both exist in academia today. If, in the spirit of the proposed "bias declaiming section", a social scientist made a point of saying that they're systematically biased against conservative and white/rural viewpoints, how do you think that would go over? Pat on the back for introspection?
        arrrg 4y ago
        I think so, yeah, sure. Why don’t you think so? "Our own academic perspective limits us e.g. in our survey design and language, making it harder for us to connect with our respondents" is something I heard and learned over and over and over again.
darksaints 4y ago
Yeah, it seems like people are just trying to find something to disagree with. It is absolutely true in the social sciences. Eugenics anyone? There are mountains of shit science out there that is rooted in the bias of the scientist.
- tomp 4y ago
  Almost everyone that has kids actively practices eugenics (unless you literally have unprotected sex with literally everyone).
  - p0pcult 4y ago
    "the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups." uhhhh, no.
    - tomp 4y ago
      Funny enough, it’s the Jews that extensively practice eugenics these days. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dor_Yeshorim https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dor_Yeshorim > Its objective is to minimize, and eventually eliminate, the incidence of genetic disorders common to Jewish people, such as Tay–Sachs disease.
    - whatshisface 4y ago
      The OP was just saying that most of the non-ineffable things about love are natural selection, and that what the eugenicists wanted was already happening naturally. Nature is cruel after all.
      - p0pcult 4y ago
        "actively practices" is the polar opposite of natural selection. To wit: "Charles Darwin popularised the term "natural selection", contrasting it with artificial selection, which in his view is intentional, whereas natural selection is not."[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
jl6 4y ago
> “ A STEM creative is anyone interested in and thinking about questions in STEM, period. We use the term STEM creative to highlight and emphasize that one does NOT need to be a “scientist” in order to launch a #HotScienceSummer project. You don’t even need a STEM or any degree!” It seems like a science engagement project rather than an attempt to do actual scientific research.

hagy 4y ago

Yes, and if their banner ads for donations focused on that then many of would be more comfortable donating. Our concern is their deceptive ads that give the impression that Wikipedia is struggling to pay the bills for serving Wikipedia.

noobermin 4y ago

Sorry to ask in multiple places, but people keep discussing this but this isn't talked about at all in the OP. Was the link changed?