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Well, sort of - for the Veyron it’s 12 minutes of range, 15 minutes for tyres, at 250mph. But my point kinda remains, the relatively poor range isn’t mentioned

Well, sort of - for the Veyron it’s 12 minutes of range, 15 minutes for tyres, at 250mph. But my point kinda remains, the relatively poor range isn’t mentioned. The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. And the Veyron can be refuelled in minutes!

audunw 4y ago
> The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. Is that supposed to be unimpressive? The fact that EVs is catching up to or beating (see Pikes Peak) ICE in almost every category except range, in the few years since EV development was rebooted with the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Roadster, is kind of insane. And yeah, range for EVs is now consistently around half that of pure ICE vehicles. Which is impressive enough considering how it was just a few years ago, but it also means that, since a 2x battery improvement which is quite likely (at least 1.5x improvements are being achieved in cells that are already past the laboratory stage and in early trial production), it's almost inevitable that EV will beat pure ICE on range. Well, you could always sacrifice trunk space for extra gas tank or use serial hybrid or something to get really good range with ICE. But point is EVs are clearly getting to around parity level or "good enough" > And can be refuelled in minutes! That'll always be a benefit. Probably the only one. But it really doesn't matter for 99% of usecases. Around 20-30 minutes is OK since you can just leave the car and do whatever you want. Most of the fast chargers around me are next to super markets, shopping malls, hardware stores, etc. Most people will charge overnight, and yes, that goes for public street side parking too. Oslo already has public street side charging poles all over the place. You've got solutions to retrofit street lamps, and now you've got this as well which should be cheaper/easier than poles: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-rheinmetall-thinks-it-has-a-solution-for-city-ev-charging-202967.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-r...
Retric 4y ago
On the other hand good luck finding many place to comfortably do 412kph for 5 minutes. The company was using an oval track with 2 different 4km straitawas to briefly hit that speed.
linsomniac 4y ago
... fitting new tires takes slightly longer, probably on the order of the charging time of the Rimac, unless you have a pit crew following you around. At least, based on the times I've had tires replaced. I guess maybe you get priority treatment when you're dropping north of $40K on tires every 15 minutes... :-)
- carl_dr 4y ago
  The car costs $2m, you can assume I have full spare set of wheels, several sets of tyres, and team to change them! Point taken of course!

audunw 4y ago

> The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. Is that supposed to be unimpressive? The fact that EVs is catching up to or beating (see Pikes Peak) ICE in almost every category except range, in the few years since EV development was rebooted with the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Roadster, is kind of insane. And yeah, range for EVs is now consistently around half that of pure ICE vehicles. Which is impressive enough considering how it was just a few years ago, but it also means that, since a 2x battery improvement which is quite likely (at least 1.5x improvements are being achieved in cells that are already past the laboratory stage and in early trial production), it's almost inevitable that EV will beat pure ICE on range. Well, you could always sacrifice trunk space for extra gas tank or use serial hybrid or something to get really good range with ICE. But point is EVs are clearly getting to around parity level or "good enough" > And can be refuelled in minutes! That'll always be a benefit. Probably the only one. But it really doesn't matter for 99% of usecases. Around 20-30 minutes is OK since you can just leave the car and do whatever you want. Most of the fast chargers around me are next to super markets, shopping malls, hardware stores, etc. Most people will charge overnight, and yes, that goes for public street side parking too. Oslo already has public street side charging poles all over the place. You've got solutions to retrofit street lamps, and now you've got this as well which should be cheaper/easier than poles: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-rheinmetall-thinks-it-has-a-solution-for-city-ev-charging-202967.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-r...

Retric 4y ago

On the other hand good luck finding many place to comfortably do 412kph for 5 minutes. The company was using an oval track with 2 different 4km straitawas to briefly hit that speed.

linsomniac 4y ago

... fitting new tires takes slightly longer, probably on the order of the charging time of the Rimac, unless you have a pit crew following you around. At least, based on the times I've had tires replaced. I guess maybe you get priority treatment when you're dropping north of $40K on tires every 15 minutes... :-)

carl_dr 4y ago
The car costs $2m, you can assume I have full spare set of wheels, several sets of tyres, and team to change them! Point taken of course!