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This article from LeMonde seems to imply that they're using Globalstar: > "To offer this new feature, Apple had to integrate a miniature antenna in its smartph

This article from LeMonde seems to imply that they're using Globalstar: > "To offer this new feature, Apple had to integrate a miniature antenna in its smartphone. It captures part of the signal of satellite constellations without relying on a satellite dish or a specific telephone handset. The iPhone manufacturer signed an agreement with Globalstar, one of the operators of low-altitude constellations, sets of satellites flying at about 500 kilometers from the Earth, in order to cover low-coverage areas of the globe. Specializing since 2007 in professional satellite messaging, Globalstar explained that it reached an agreement to launch 17 new satellites for 327 million dollars, 95% of which will be financed by Apple in exchange for 85% of their bandwidth." https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/09/13/apple-and-starlink-make-first-steps-in-satellite-connected-smartphones_5996768_19.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/09/13/apple-a...

brookst 4y ago
The "85% of their bandwidth" part is super interesting. It implies usage for much more than occasional emergencies. Globalstar has ~12Mhz of global S-Band spectrum[0], which they describe as "3.7 Billion MHz-POP", a unit I'm not grokking. But I am pretty sure that is a LOT more bandwidth than what will be used for highly compressed text messages in emergencies. [0] https://www.globalstar.com/Globalstar/media/Globalstar/Downloads/Spectrum/GlobalstarOverviewPresentation.pdf https://www.globalstar.com/Globalstar/media/Globalstar/Downl...
- portyllo 4y ago
  A MHz-POP is just bandwidth times population covered by the Geographic Service Area (i.e., where the company is licensed to operate). For example, in the US, they would have 11.5 MHz x 330 M = 3.79 Billion MHz-POP.
  - brookst 4y ago
    Thank you! Doesn't that seem like a weird metric? I would think MHz/POP would make more sense. I guess the idea is to assume unlimited and independent channels to everyone as a first order?
    - totalZero 4y ago
      I think multiplying by population serves as a way to normalize for link speed. Ten people who use a lot of spectrum are probably bigger customers than ten people who use a tiny sliver of spectrum, and thus constitute a bigger user base.
    - portyllo 4y ago
      MHz-POP makes the most sense in cell networks, where an operator (AT&T, T-Mobile,...) wants to acquire a spectrum license in a particular region of the country. Evaluating the MHz-POP makes sense as the price they are willing to pay varies a lot depending on the population density in that region area. In general, cell networks can reuse spectrum more easily (deploy more towers, add more sectors), and they design their network deployment to hit whatever MHz/customer they are targeting (which mostly depends on the technology 3G/4G/5G). In sat-networks, well, MHz-POP doesn't matter that much, because, generally, every operator is licensed to operate in the whole country. As you mentioned, what really matters is (a) the bandwidth of their license allocation (e.g., Globalstar is 11.5 MHz), and (b) how efficiently can they reuse spectrum: * how many beams can they land (# satellite x # beams / satellite)? * how much freedom do they have to chunk bandwidth and allocate it to individual beams based on demand? * what type of satellite are they using, bent-pipe or regenerative payload? * how big are these beams? * can they allocate resources dynamically or is everything fixed? * how much power does the satellite have? how big are the terminal antennas? what kind of link-budget can they close? In the end, the MHz/customer they can achieve depends on the answer to all these questions.

brookst 4y ago

The "85% of their bandwidth" part is super interesting. It implies usage for much more than occasional emergencies. Globalstar has ~12Mhz of global S-Band spectrum[0], which they describe as "3.7 Billion MHz-POP", a unit I'm not grokking. But I am pretty sure that is a LOT more bandwidth than what will be used for highly compressed text messages in emergencies. [0] https://www.globalstar.com/Globalstar/media/Globalstar/Downloads/Spectrum/GlobalstarOverviewPresentation.pdf https://www.globalstar.com/Globalstar/media/Globalstar/Downl...

portyllo 4y ago
A MHz-POP is just bandwidth times population covered by the Geographic Service Area (i.e., where the company is licensed to operate). For example, in the US, they would have 11.5 MHz x 330 M = 3.79 Billion MHz-POP.
- brookst 4y ago
  Thank you! Doesn't that seem like a weird metric? I would think MHz/POP would make more sense. I guess the idea is to assume unlimited and independent channels to everyone as a first order?
  - totalZero 4y ago
    I think multiplying by population serves as a way to normalize for link speed. Ten people who use a lot of spectrum are probably bigger customers than ten people who use a tiny sliver of spectrum, and thus constitute a bigger user base.
  - portyllo 4y ago
    MHz-POP makes the most sense in cell networks, where an operator (AT&T, T-Mobile,...) wants to acquire a spectrum license in a particular region of the country. Evaluating the MHz-POP makes sense as the price they are willing to pay varies a lot depending on the population density in that region area. In general, cell networks can reuse spectrum more easily (deploy more towers, add more sectors), and they design their network deployment to hit whatever MHz/customer they are targeting (which mostly depends on the technology 3G/4G/5G). In sat-networks, well, MHz-POP doesn't matter that much, because, generally, every operator is licensed to operate in the whole country. As you mentioned, what really matters is (a) the bandwidth of their license allocation (e.g., Globalstar is 11.5 MHz), and (b) how efficiently can they reuse spectrum: * how many beams can they land (# satellite x # beams / satellite)? * how much freedom do they have to chunk bandwidth and allocate it to individual beams based on demand? * what type of satellite are they using, bent-pipe or regenerative payload? * how big are these beams? * can they allocate resources dynamically or is everything fixed? * how much power does the satellite have? how big are the terminal antennas? what kind of link-budget can they close? In the end, the MHz/customer they can achieve depends on the answer to all these questions.