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The fact that you have a skip*10 manager seems to speak to some middle manager bloat. That's military levels of bureaucracy, though in the military's case, at l

The fact that you have a skip*10 manager seems to speak to some middle manager bloat. That's military levels of bureaucracy, though in the military's case, at least they have the excuse that they're overstaffing on purpose to keep slack around so they can maintain operational continuity in the event of a mass death event during combat.

scarface74 4y ago
Amazon is the second largest employee in the US and a manager can only adequately manage so many people.
- bart_spoon 4y ago
  It really depends on where they work at Amazon. The reason Amazon is the second largest employer is presumably because of the tens of thousands of warehouse/delivery employees. If they are working in a corporate setting, and there is still 10 levels of management between them and the CEO, I imagine it to be pretty bloated.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    If each manager should only manage 15-20 people (https://www.yourerc.com/blog/post/span-of-control-how-many-employees-should-your-supervisors-manage https://www.yourerc.com/blog/post/span-of-control-how-many-e...) Do the math. Amazon also has at least two major verticals - retail and AWS. Within AWS, Amazon has multiple departments and markets. Without giving too much away, let’s start with the obvious (and I’m just guessing, I am not looking at the internal tool to see the hierarchy right now) CEO of Amazon -> CEO of AWS -> Manager of my specific department worldwide -> manager of specific geographies -> manager of specific verticals within that market -> my manager. That’s 6. I’m sure I’m missing a few and I just completely made up that hierarchy. But it is a logical division. A typical McDonalds worked in a corporate owned store could probably go up 6 levels - worker - shift lead - store manager - regional manager - district manager - two more levels - CEO
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  My impression is that a lot of the retail type workers are managed by/with a lot of automation. I've read that they can be fired simply by KPI without human review. If that's correct, I can say I wouldn't want to be the one to write that code.
throwayyy479087 4y ago
log(1.6MM) = 6.2 He has 6 people between him and the CEO. Oddly close. Maybe Amazon isn’t bloated and is just unbelievably huge.
- scarface74 4y ago
  I was actually off. It’s skip*7

scarface74 4y ago

Amazon is the second largest employee in the US and a manager can only adequately manage so many people.

bart_spoon 4y ago
It really depends on where they work at Amazon. The reason Amazon is the second largest employer is presumably because of the tens of thousands of warehouse/delivery employees. If they are working in a corporate setting, and there is still 10 levels of management between them and the CEO, I imagine it to be pretty bloated.
- scarface74 4y ago
  If each manager should only manage 15-20 people (https://www.yourerc.com/blog/post/span-of-control-how-many-employees-should-your-supervisors-manage https://www.yourerc.com/blog/post/span-of-control-how-many-e...) Do the math. Amazon also has at least two major verticals - retail and AWS. Within AWS, Amazon has multiple departments and markets. Without giving too much away, let’s start with the obvious (and I’m just guessing, I am not looking at the internal tool to see the hierarchy right now) CEO of Amazon -> CEO of AWS -> Manager of my specific department worldwide -> manager of specific geographies -> manager of specific verticals within that market -> my manager. That’s 6. I’m sure I’m missing a few and I just completely made up that hierarchy. But it is a logical division. A typical McDonalds worked in a corporate owned store could probably go up 6 levels - worker - shift lead - store manager - regional manager - district manager - two more levels - CEO
hotpotamus 4y ago
My impression is that a lot of the retail type workers are managed by/with a lot of automation. I've read that they can be fired simply by KPI without human review. If that's correct, I can say I wouldn't want to be the one to write that code.

throwayyy479087 4y ago

log(1.6MM) = 6.2 He has 6 people between him and the CEO. Oddly close. Maybe Amazon isn’t bloated and is just unbelievably huge.

scarface74 4y ago
I was actually off. It’s skip*7