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This is really impressive. The speed record itself is not super relevant to everyday production vehicles, but it's a great way to win customers over to EVs. In

by axg11 4y ago

This is really impressive. The speed record itself is not super relevant to everyday production vehicles, but it's a great way to win customers over to EVs. In general, I underestimated the progress that electric vehicles would make over the last ~2 years. Most manufacturers have at least one decent EV on the market now. Where I live (Toronto, Canada), EV charging infrastructure still needs a lot of improvement but it's an inevitability now.

carl_dr 4y ago
What they don’t say is that the battery lasts 5 minutes at maximum performance. (The car’s engine power is 1914bhp, which is about 1400kW, the car’s battery is 120kWh.)
- rbanffy 4y ago
  That 5 minute ride must be the scariest way to drive ~30 km... Only once I drove at 250 kph and it was like driving full speed in the wrong way.
  - gambiting 4y ago
    Yeah obviously it doesn't "really" compare, but once on the autobahn at around 4am I drove for about 30 minutes straight at 255km/h in my Mercedes AMG couple years ago, it was insane, but also one of the coolest things I have ever done. It was like 30 minutes of pure adrenaline, had to stop afterwards just to cool off.
    - CobaltFire 4y ago
      Did ~255kph once over 20 years ago for about 30 minutes in, of all things, a tuned up first generation Isuzu Impulse (aka Piazza) [0] at 2AM on I-5 heading south out of the SF Bay. Blew up the turbo though, and had to limp it another 2 hours to get to my destination. I also got to learn how to replace the turbo and weld the manifold, since I'd cracked it. Still, amazing memory. Scary as heck, and to this day I'm surprised I didn't die. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza
      - rbanffy 4y ago
        > I'm surprised I didn't die. Survivorship bias. In all other timelines you died, you can't be surprised ;-) Same applies for me as well. I've been lucky more than once.
        CobaltFire 4y ago
        Thanks for the chuckle this morning!
- gambiting 4y ago
  Wasn't that true of the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron too? That at its max speed of 400kph the tyres would last 15 minutes but it doesn't matter because the fuel only lasts 5, or something like that.
  - carl_dr 4y ago
    Well, sort of - for the Veyron it’s 12 minutes of range, 15 minutes for tyres, at 250mph. But my point kinda remains, the relatively poor range isn’t mentioned. The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. And the Veyron can be refuelled in minutes!
    - audunw 4y ago
      > The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. Is that supposed to be unimpressive? The fact that EVs is catching up to or beating (see Pikes Peak) ICE in almost every category except range, in the few years since EV development was rebooted with the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Roadster, is kind of insane. And yeah, range for EVs is now consistently around half that of pure ICE vehicles. Which is impressive enough considering how it was just a few years ago, but it also means that, since a 2x battery improvement which is quite likely (at least 1.5x improvements are being achieved in cells that are already past the laboratory stage and in early trial production), it's almost inevitable that EV will beat pure ICE on range. Well, you could always sacrifice trunk space for extra gas tank or use serial hybrid or something to get really good range with ICE. But point is EVs are clearly getting to around parity level or "good enough" > And can be refuelled in minutes! That'll always be a benefit. Probably the only one. But it really doesn't matter for 99% of usecases. Around 20-30 minutes is OK since you can just leave the car and do whatever you want. Most of the fast chargers around me are next to super markets, shopping malls, hardware stores, etc. Most people will charge overnight, and yes, that goes for public street side parking too. Oslo already has public street side charging poles all over the place. You've got solutions to retrofit street lamps, and now you've got this as well which should be cheaper/easier than poles: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-rheinmetall-thinks-it-has-a-solution-for-city-ev-charging-202967.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-r...
- LeonM 4y ago
  The Veyron (first petrol production car to crack 400km/h) was famously quoted by Top Gear that its tires would only last 12 minutes at top speed, which was OK, because the 100L fuel tank would be empty in just 9 minutes. That the Nevera can do 5 minutes with 'only' 120kWh is actually amazing. Petrol has an energy density of 12200Wh/kg. At 0.79kg/l, the Veron had a total capacity of 963kWh. That's 8 Times more energy, yet still less than 2 times the range.
  - syrgian 4y ago
    Thanks for doing the math. I was wondering exactly this, remembering that the Veyron didn't last that long either.
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  - Keyframe 4y ago
    Maybe the'll meet in the middle considering both Bugatti and Rimac are now part of the same company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Rimac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Rimac
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    In the early 2000s my old Citroën XM could reach its book top speed of 147mph, but would not be able to do 147 miles at that speed because its 80-litre fuel tank would run out at 141 miles. MPG went rapidly south in the second half of the rev counter.
    - linsomniac 4y ago
      For a while, IIRC back in the '90s, Montana had no speed limit on some roads. Though they did say if you were in the triple digits you were probably likely to get a ticket. I drove it several times during that, and the big limit was "How fast can I go and still make it to the next gas station?" It was a beautiful drive. They added the speed limit back (again IIRC) because someone got several tickets and sued saying (along the lines of) "there's no way I can tell if I'm going too fast without the speed limit".
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dahfizz 4y ago
> Most manufacturers have at least one decent EV on the market now. On paper, yeah. But they are manufactured in pathetically small quantities.
AtlasBarfed 4y ago
The hypercar segment figured out once the higher performance Teslas came on the market that an EV skateboard hypercar is much much much cheaper to trot out that a new custom engine/powertrain. And it accelerates much faster, and now apparently is nearly faster than ICE in top speed. Drivetrain is more reliable. Plus lower center of gravity, more internal space, yada yada yada. This was plainly apparent to me 3-4 years ago and I'm a "jalopnik" level of automotive reader (as in idiot with keyboard level expertise) So the hypercar people get to charge with a straight face a multi-million dollar car that's faster than their previous versions, but make wayyyyy more money. The Plaid Model S is a !!!150k!!! hypercar beater, and it's a sedan. If Elon wasn't a moron of marketing, that car would have been selling with many many many variants (see: BMW) each adding 50-100k to the price until you got up to the 500-700k range.
- rasz 4y ago
  and one of those 50-100K options would be "actual fit and finish" https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1592162940513304579 https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1592162940513304579
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    Well Intel knows about that, it's just "binning". This CPU hits X Mhz with X cores and X cache functional, it's a 33000K. This one had defects in a CPU or two and some cache, or doesn't clock as well, it's a 32000K.

by axg11 4y ago

carl_dr 4y ago

What they don’t say is that the battery lasts 5 minutes at maximum performance. (The car’s engine power is 1914bhp, which is about 1400kW, the car’s battery is 120kWh.)

rbanffy 4y ago
That 5 minute ride must be the scariest way to drive ~30 km... Only once I drove at 250 kph and it was like driving full speed in the wrong way.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Yeah obviously it doesn't "really" compare, but once on the autobahn at around 4am I drove for about 30 minutes straight at 255km/h in my Mercedes AMG couple years ago, it was insane, but also one of the coolest things I have ever done. It was like 30 minutes of pure adrenaline, had to stop afterwards just to cool off.
  - CobaltFire 4y ago
    Did ~255kph once over 20 years ago for about 30 minutes in, of all things, a tuned up first generation Isuzu Impulse (aka Piazza) [0] at 2AM on I-5 heading south out of the SF Bay. Blew up the turbo though, and had to limp it another 2 hours to get to my destination. I also got to learn how to replace the turbo and weld the manifold, since I'd cracked it. Still, amazing memory. Scary as heck, and to this day I'm surprised I didn't die. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Piazza
    - rbanffy 4y ago
      > I'm surprised I didn't die. Survivorship bias. In all other timelines you died, you can't be surprised ;-) Same applies for me as well. I've been lucky more than once.
      - CobaltFire 4y ago
        Thanks for the chuckle this morning!
gambiting 4y ago
Wasn't that true of the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron too? That at its max speed of 400kph the tyres would last 15 minutes but it doesn't matter because the fuel only lasts 5, or something like that.
- carl_dr 4y ago
  Well, sort of - for the Veyron it’s 12 minutes of range, 15 minutes for tyres, at 250mph. But my point kinda remains, the relatively poor range isn’t mentioned. The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. And the Veyron can be refuelled in minutes!
  - audunw 4y ago
    > The range of the Nevera is 40% of a similarly performing car that is approaching 20 years old now. Is that supposed to be unimpressive? The fact that EVs is catching up to or beating (see Pikes Peak) ICE in almost every category except range, in the few years since EV development was rebooted with the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Roadster, is kind of insane. And yeah, range for EVs is now consistently around half that of pure ICE vehicles. Which is impressive enough considering how it was just a few years ago, but it also means that, since a 2x battery improvement which is quite likely (at least 1.5x improvements are being achieved in cells that are already past the laboratory stage and in early trial production), it's almost inevitable that EV will beat pure ICE on range. Well, you could always sacrifice trunk space for extra gas tank or use serial hybrid or something to get really good range with ICE. But point is EVs are clearly getting to around parity level or "good enough" > And can be refuelled in minutes! That'll always be a benefit. Probably the only one. But it really doesn't matter for 99% of usecases. Around 20-30 minutes is OK since you can just leave the car and do whatever you want. Most of the fast chargers around me are next to super markets, shopping malls, hardware stores, etc. Most people will charge overnight, and yes, that goes for public street side parking too. Oslo already has public street side charging poles all over the place. You've got solutions to retrofit street lamps, and now you've got this as well which should be cheaper/easier than poles: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-rheinmetall-thinks-it-has-a-solution-for-city-ev-charging-202967.html https://www.autoevolution.com/news/arms-manufacturer-giant-r...
LeonM 4y ago
The Veyron (first petrol production car to crack 400km/h) was famously quoted by Top Gear that its tires would only last 12 minutes at top speed, which was OK, because the 100L fuel tank would be empty in just 9 minutes. That the Nevera can do 5 minutes with 'only' 120kWh is actually amazing. Petrol has an energy density of 12200Wh/kg. At 0.79kg/l, the Veron had a total capacity of 963kWh. That's 8 Times more energy, yet still less than 2 times the range.
- syrgian 4y ago
  Thanks for doing the math. I was wondering exactly this, remembering that the Veyron didn't last that long either.
- deleted 4y ago
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- Keyframe 4y ago
  Maybe the'll meet in the middle considering both Bugatti and Rimac are now part of the same company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Rimac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Rimac
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  In the early 2000s my old Citroën XM could reach its book top speed of 147mph, but would not be able to do 147 miles at that speed because its 80-litre fuel tank would run out at 141 miles. MPG went rapidly south in the second half of the rev counter.
  - linsomniac 4y ago
    For a while, IIRC back in the '90s, Montana had no speed limit on some roads. Though they did say if you were in the triple digits you were probably likely to get a ticket. I drove it several times during that, and the big limit was "How fast can I go and still make it to the next gas station?" It was a beautiful drive. They added the speed limit back (again IIRC) because someone got several tickets and sued saying (along the lines of) "there's no way I can tell if I'm going too fast without the speed limit".
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dahfizz 4y ago

> Most manufacturers have at least one decent EV on the market now. On paper, yeah. But they are manufactured in pathetically small quantities.

AtlasBarfed 4y ago

The hypercar segment figured out once the higher performance Teslas came on the market that an EV skateboard hypercar is much much much cheaper to trot out that a new custom engine/powertrain. And it accelerates much faster, and now apparently is nearly faster than ICE in top speed. Drivetrain is more reliable. Plus lower center of gravity, more internal space, yada yada yada. This was plainly apparent to me 3-4 years ago and I'm a "jalopnik" level of automotive reader (as in idiot with keyboard level expertise) So the hypercar people get to charge with a straight face a multi-million dollar car that's faster than their previous versions, but make wayyyyy more money. The Plaid Model S is a !!!150k!!! hypercar beater, and it's a sedan. If Elon wasn't a moron of marketing, that car would have been selling with many many many variants (see: BMW) each adding 50-100k to the price until you got up to the 500-700k range.

rasz 4y ago
and one of those 50-100K options would be "actual fit and finish" https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1592162940513304579 https://twitter.com/JoshuaPHilll/status/1592162940513304579
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Well Intel knows about that, it's just "binning". This CPU hits X Mhz with X cores and X cache functional, it's a 33000K. This one had defects in a CPU or two and some cache, or doesn't clock as well, it's a 32000K.