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Yes, is there a list of every command a human can execute or can work with?

recuter 4y ago
Yes, actually, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English If one were to take the 25,000 word Oxford Pocket English Dictionary and take away the redundancies of our rich language and eliminate the words that can be made by putting together simpler words, we find that 90% of the concepts in that dictionary can be achieved with 850 words. The shortened list makes simpler the effort to learn spelling and pronunciation irregularities. The rules of usage are identical to full English so that the practitioner communicates in perfectly good, but simple, English. We call this simplified language Basic English, the developer is Charles K. Ogden, and was released in 1930 with the book: Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammar. Even Includes 200 picturables: http://ogden.basic-english.org/wordpic0.html http://ogden.basic-english.org/wordpic0.html "A widely known 1933 book on this is a science fiction work on history up to the year 2106 titled The Shape of Things to Come by H. G. Wells. In this work, Basic English is the inter-language of the future world, a world in which after long struggles a global authoritarian government manages to unite humanity and force everyone to learn it as a second language." - Sounds pretty close to Siri and the other digital assistants to me. Ever watch people from none English countries use their smartphones? Not all of it is implemented yet but this is almost all you need to run an empire. Here it is deployed in favor of much needed disciplinary action for two Scottish people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUTfUmI8vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUTfUmI8vs
- MezzoDelCammin 4y ago
  Anyone reminded of XKCD's "Up goer five" strip (https://xkcd.com/1133/ https://xkcd.com/1133/), or is it just me?
  - 314 4y ago
    He expanded the idea into a book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_Explainer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_Explainer
- MikePlacid 4y ago
  > Here it is deployed in favor of much needed disciplinary action for two Scottish people There was a moment when call centers started deploying “just say it” en masse - and I was literally in panic. Luckily, they brought back “or enter” pretty soon and also en masse. To be fair to robots you protein constructs are not much better. In a two mile radius of our company’s office humans trained themselves to understand Russian accent pretty well. But beyond that…
- QuantumSeed 4y ago
  I would love to see something similar to Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammer for other languages. It seems like it would be a great tool for learning a new language.
ninkendo 4y ago
Not sure what side of the debate you're taking here, but I think you've outlined the issue perfectly. Engineers: "We couldn't have a list of commands, that's not how humans work, you're supposed to treat Alexa like a human, and the possibilities are endless" Users: "Ok, then. Alexa, take out the trash." Alexa: "Sorry, I can't do that." (Ok, so obviously the possibilities aren't endless, right?) I can somewhat understand general knowledge queries. For those, you can totally make the case that there's just too many things you can ask about to enumerate them all. But imperative commands, like sending text messages, setting timers, or home automation? There's a finite list of those, since at the end of the day they actually have to be authored by some human who's writing a (say) Alexa skill. The number of utterances that may map to those skills are unbounded, but the number of skills aren't. So yes, at the end of the day, for "command" like things, they really should be able to give a list of them.
- sofetch 4y ago
  > (Ok, so obviously the possibilities aren't endless, right?) This does not follow from the above. The set of positive integers is countably infinite. So is the set of positive even integers. Even if "half of the positive integers are missing!" there are still "endless" even postive integers.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    By that logic the calculator app has an (effectively) infinite amount of functionality since there is an infinite number of integers which you can add together. Somehow though they still list all the features.
    - sofetch 4y ago
      > By that logic This doesn't follow at all. It's not what I said and I find it difficult to believe that you even think it's what I said.
  - ninkendo 4y ago
    > This does not follow from the above Well, I elaborated after. There's an actual finite set of skills that are coded up by actual engineers. A natural language system isn't hallucinating the ABI for the function calls that send text messages. There's code there which takes the utterance and sends the texts. What I'm saying is that you can take an inventory of what skills have been written (and/or are installed), and y'know... document them somewhere.
TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
There isn't, but a partial list could be assembled. Most human interactions are context-triggered and heavily scripted. This is easy to see on social media where responses to a popular trigger post fall into groups. A lot of people make one of a small number of generic expected responses, and there's an even smaller number of funny/off-beat posts - which all make the same joke. Occasionally you get a truly original inventive reply. But only very rarely. I have a vague memory of a fringe AI startup which has been trying to formalise that contextual database since the 90s.

Yes, actually, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English If one were to take the 25,000 word Oxford Pocket English Dictionary and take away the redundancies of our rich language and eliminate the words that can be made by putting together simpler words, we find that 90% of the concepts in that dictionary can be achieved with 850 words. The shortened list makes simpler the effort to learn spelling and pronunciation irregularities. The rules of usage are identical to full English so that the practitioner communicates in perfectly good, but simple, English. We call this simplified language Basic English, the developer is Charles K. Ogden, and was released in 1930 with the book: Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammar. Even Includes 200 picturables: http://ogden.basic-english.org/wordpic0.html http://ogden.basic-english.org/wordpic0.html "A widely known 1933 book on this is a science fiction work on history up to the year 2106 titled The Shape of Things to Come by H. G. Wells. In this work, Basic English is the inter-language of the future world, a world in which after long struggles a global authoritarian government manages to unite humanity and force everyone to learn it as a second language." - Sounds pretty close to Siri and the other digital assistants to me. Ever watch people from none English countries use their smartphones? Not all of it is implemented yet but this is almost all you need to run an empire. Here it is deployed in favor of much needed disciplinary action for two Scottish people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUTfUmI8vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOUTfUmI8vs

MezzoDelCammin 4y ago
Anyone reminded of XKCD's "Up goer five" strip (https://xkcd.com/1133/ https://xkcd.com/1133/), or is it just me?
- 314 4y ago
  He expanded the idea into a book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_Explainer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_Explainer
MikePlacid 4y ago
> Here it is deployed in favor of much needed disciplinary action for two Scottish people There was a moment when call centers started deploying “just say it” en masse - and I was literally in panic. Luckily, they brought back “or enter” pretty soon and also en masse. To be fair to robots you protein constructs are not much better. In a two mile radius of our company’s office humans trained themselves to understand Russian accent pretty well. But beyond that…
QuantumSeed 4y ago
I would love to see something similar to Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammer for other languages. It seems like it would be a great tool for learning a new language.

ninkendo 4y ago

Not sure what side of the debate you're taking here, but I think you've outlined the issue perfectly. Engineers: "We couldn't have a list of commands, that's not how humans work, you're supposed to treat Alexa like a human, and the possibilities are endless" Users: "Ok, then. Alexa, take out the trash." Alexa: "Sorry, I can't do that." (Ok, so obviously the possibilities aren't endless, right?) I can somewhat understand general knowledge queries. For those, you can totally make the case that there's just too many things you can ask about to enumerate them all. But imperative commands, like sending text messages, setting timers, or home automation? There's a finite list of those, since at the end of the day they actually have to be authored by some human who's writing a (say) Alexa skill. The number of utterances that may map to those skills are unbounded, but the number of skills aren't. So yes, at the end of the day, for "command" like things, they really should be able to give a list of them.

sofetch 4y ago
> (Ok, so obviously the possibilities aren't endless, right?) This does not follow from the above. The set of positive integers is countably infinite. So is the set of positive even integers. Even if "half of the positive integers are missing!" there are still "endless" even postive integers.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  By that logic the calculator app has an (effectively) infinite amount of functionality since there is an infinite number of integers which you can add together. Somehow though they still list all the features.
  - sofetch 4y ago
    > By that logic This doesn't follow at all. It's not what I said and I find it difficult to believe that you even think it's what I said.
- ninkendo 4y ago
  > This does not follow from the above Well, I elaborated after. There's an actual finite set of skills that are coded up by actual engineers. A natural language system isn't hallucinating the ABI for the function calls that send text messages. There's code there which takes the utterance and sends the texts. What I'm saying is that you can take an inventory of what skills have been written (and/or are installed), and y'know... document them somewhere.

TheOtherHobbes 4y ago

There isn't, but a partial list could be assembled. Most human interactions are context-triggered and heavily scripted. This is easy to see on social media where responses to a popular trigger post fall into groups. A lot of people make one of a small number of generic expected responses, and there's an even smaller number of funny/off-beat posts - which all make the same joke. Occasionally you get a truly original inventive reply. But only very rarely. I have a vague memory of a fringe AI startup which has been trying to formalise that contextual database since the 90s.