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Tesla (and fixed-price car sellers like CarMax) are profiting handsomely squarely off of your inability, unwillingness or fear of negotiating. They just bake th

Tesla (and fixed-price car sellers like CarMax) are profiting handsomely squarely off of your inability, unwillingness or fear of negotiating. They just bake the full profit right into the up-front price and wait for people like yourself, happy to pay full price. Your loss.

kortilla 4y ago
Do you negotiate when purchasing a toilet at Home Depot?
- simon_o 4y ago
  If you are buying toilets for 50.000 you probably should be.
- listenallyall 4y ago
  I would buy bathroom fixtures from an installer, and certainly negotiate the number of labor hours, and a discount off retail price of the fixtures themselves. People negotiate the price of a $40 ride to the airport with taxi drivers every day. I negotiated the price of a pair of prescription glasses just yesterday, and they cost less than $300. So... yes?
  - kortilla 4y ago
    So… no, because they would kick you the fuck out.
- idop 4y ago
  Yes. And you should negotiate at the dealership too.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  Funnily enough, my father does (at the local equivalent). Surprisingly, it almost always works. Even in chain stores for hardware/DIY or white goods (fridges, washing machines, etc) there is almost always leeway for haggling to some degree on higher priced items. He works in the automotive industry, where haggling is basically mandatory - if you don't haggle, you are going to get shafted. Its the same at builders merchants and lumber suppliers.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  People who value time over money don’t tend to negotiate as much.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> They just bake the full profit right into the up-front price and wait for people like yourself, happy to pay full price. Your loss. As opposed to the haggling model where they expect to sell a car for $55K but put a $60K tag on it knowing people will haggle it down to $55K and think they got a good deal. It's an absolutely shitty model, and it's saddening that you're falling for it.
- listenallyall 4y ago
  > put a $60K tag on it Dealerships do not set the sticker price. Only manufacturers do. At Tesla, your only option is to pay full sticker. At dealerships, you can certainly do the same, but you can also negotiate a better deal.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    Still doesn't change my point. Manufacturers (other than Tesla) know people aren't going to pay MSRP. "Negotiating a better deal" is just bullshit. Honda will throw a $24K MSRP on a Honda Civic knowing people will probably actually pay $22K or whatever. The problem here is that you think that if Tesla participated in negotiations, then you could get a $63K Model 3 Performance for $58K by negotiating. That is false. What would actually happen is that they would up the sticker price to $68K so you could feel like you got a deal when you drive away after paying $63K.

kortilla 4y ago

Do you negotiate when purchasing a toilet at Home Depot?

simon_o 4y ago
If you are buying toilets for 50.000 you probably should be.
listenallyall 4y ago
I would buy bathroom fixtures from an installer, and certainly negotiate the number of labor hours, and a discount off retail price of the fixtures themselves. People negotiate the price of a $40 ride to the airport with taxi drivers every day. I negotiated the price of a pair of prescription glasses just yesterday, and they cost less than $300. So... yes?
- kortilla 4y ago
  So… no, because they would kick you the fuck out.
idop 4y ago
Yes. And you should negotiate at the dealership too.
nibbleshifter 4y ago
Funnily enough, my father does (at the local equivalent). Surprisingly, it almost always works. Even in chain stores for hardware/DIY or white goods (fridges, washing machines, etc) there is almost always leeway for haggling to some degree on higher priced items. He works in the automotive industry, where haggling is basically mandatory - if you don't haggle, you are going to get shafted. Its the same at builders merchants and lumber suppliers.
mensetmanusman 4y ago
People who value time over money don’t tend to negotiate as much.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

> They just bake the full profit right into the up-front price and wait for people like yourself, happy to pay full price. Your loss. As opposed to the haggling model where they expect to sell a car for $55K but put a $60K tag on it knowing people will haggle it down to $55K and think they got a good deal. It's an absolutely shitty model, and it's saddening that you're falling for it.

listenallyall 4y ago
> put a $60K tag on it Dealerships do not set the sticker price. Only manufacturers do. At Tesla, your only option is to pay full sticker. At dealerships, you can certainly do the same, but you can also negotiate a better deal.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  Still doesn't change my point. Manufacturers (other than Tesla) know people aren't going to pay MSRP. "Negotiating a better deal" is just bullshit. Honda will throw a $24K MSRP on a Honda Civic knowing people will probably actually pay $22K or whatever. The problem here is that you think that if Tesla participated in negotiations, then you could get a $63K Model 3 Performance for $58K by negotiating. That is false. What would actually happen is that they would up the sticker price to $68K so you could feel like you got a deal when you drive away after paying $63K.