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I think they mean 'de-colonialise' rather than decolonise. Seems like a strange error to make considering the number of times the term is used. Edit: Ok appar

I think they mean 'de-colonialise' rather than decolonise. Seems like a strange error to make considering the number of times the term is used. Edit: Ok apparently this is an accepted term. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization I have no idea why as colonise and decolonise already mean things. And colonial is a distinct thing.

selfhoster11 4y ago
Decolonise seems to be far more common. I’ve never seen “de-colonialise” used, in fact, but seen “decolonise” used all over the place.
- benj111 4y ago
  I've seen decolonise before, but in the context of removing colonies. This is about a hangover of colonialism. To me colony is A-political, whereas colonial applys to the politics. Taking it further. I colonise America I colonise mars I colonise maths? What does that mean? We aren't talking about a literal colony, were talking about colonialism. So (De)colonialise is the word the I would make up to describe this.
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    I am not arguing about what the word should mean, I am simply pointing out that people seem to use it this way.
veqq 4y ago
Have you ever heard the word "colonialize"? Spell check doesn't accept it, google doesn't either. Colony->colonize->decolonize Colonial is an adjective from colony. You can add -ize to the noun, no need for this intermediary step.
- carlmr 4y ago
  Maybe OP is German. We call it Kolonialisierung and Dekolonialisierung.
  - benj111 4y ago
    No I'm English. I'll take it as a complement that I'm recreating German words though.
    - carlmr 4y ago
      At least you're Germanic then, back to the roots ;).
- throwaway4aday 4y ago
  -ize > a verb-forming suffix occurring originally in loanwords from Greek that have entered English through Latin or French (baptize; barbarize; catechize); within English, -ize is added to adjectives and nouns to form transitive verbs with the general senses “to render, make” (actualize; fossilize; sterilize; Americanize) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-ize#:~:text=a%20verb%2Dforming%20suffix%20occurring,%3B%20sterilize%3B%20Americanize)%2C%20%E2%80%9C https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-ize#:~:text=a%20verb%2Dfo...
- benj111 4y ago
  Decolonise to me means depopulate. I originally thought the article was talking about removing people from maths (teachers?) Elon musk colonises mars. Elon musk decolonises mars. Colony is a fairly A-political word to me. Colonial has political connotations. So if I wanted to talk about the political elements of the times when colonys were a thing would say colonial. And variations of that word. As we are talking about politics, it seems that colonial seems to be the better word. If I wanted to talk about setting off across the Atlantic and setting up a base, I would describe that as a colony, and the continuing process of that would be colonisation. If I wanted to talk about the negative impacts on the indigenous population, I would describe that as colonialism and the process by extension, colonialisation. Googling around I'm obviously in a minority as far as word usage goes, and I'm surprised I haven't come across this before. It still seems strange how decolonise was the work settled on though.
carlmr 4y ago
>Seems like a strange error to make considering the number of times the term is used. Whether it's an error or not. The same error being made multiple times is to me a normal case. So is a single error. An error being made sometimes is rather what I would call surprising. If you know something but make a mistake it's likely a one-off error. If you don't know something you will make the same error many times until someone alerts you to the situation. Both very likely cases if you ask me. Whereas if you have N mentions and ~N/2 are wrong, then that is the most unlikely case. Since you'd either have to forget what you know half the time, or you would have to make a sloppy mistake half of the time.

selfhoster11 4y ago

Decolonise seems to be far more common. I’ve never seen “de-colonialise” used, in fact, but seen “decolonise” used all over the place.

benj111 4y ago
I've seen decolonise before, but in the context of removing colonies. This is about a hangover of colonialism. To me colony is A-political, whereas colonial applys to the politics. Taking it further. I colonise America I colonise mars I colonise maths? What does that mean? We aren't talking about a literal colony, were talking about colonialism. So (De)colonialise is the word the I would make up to describe this.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  I am not arguing about what the word should mean, I am simply pointing out that people seem to use it this way.

veqq 4y ago

Have you ever heard the word "colonialize"? Spell check doesn't accept it, google doesn't either. Colony->colonize->decolonize Colonial is an adjective from colony. You can add -ize to the noun, no need for this intermediary step.

carlmr 4y ago
Maybe OP is German. We call it Kolonialisierung and Dekolonialisierung.
- benj111 4y ago
  No I'm English. I'll take it as a complement that I'm recreating German words though.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    At least you're Germanic then, back to the roots ;).
throwaway4aday 4y ago
-ize > a verb-forming suffix occurring originally in loanwords from Greek that have entered English through Latin or French (baptize; barbarize; catechize); within English, -ize is added to adjectives and nouns to form transitive verbs with the general senses “to render, make” (actualize; fossilize; sterilize; Americanize) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-ize#:~:text=a%20verb%2Dforming%20suffix%20occurring,%3B%20sterilize%3B%20Americanize)%2C%20%E2%80%9C https://www.dictionary.com/browse/-ize#:~:text=a%20verb%2Dfo...
benj111 4y ago
Decolonise to me means depopulate. I originally thought the article was talking about removing people from maths (teachers?) Elon musk colonises mars. Elon musk decolonises mars. Colony is a fairly A-political word to me. Colonial has political connotations. So if I wanted to talk about the political elements of the times when colonys were a thing would say colonial. And variations of that word. As we are talking about politics, it seems that colonial seems to be the better word. If I wanted to talk about setting off across the Atlantic and setting up a base, I would describe that as a colony, and the continuing process of that would be colonisation. If I wanted to talk about the negative impacts on the indigenous population, I would describe that as colonialism and the process by extension, colonialisation. Googling around I'm obviously in a minority as far as word usage goes, and I'm surprised I haven't come across this before. It still seems strange how decolonise was the work settled on though.

carlmr 4y ago

>Seems like a strange error to make considering the number of times the term is used. Whether it's an error or not. The same error being made multiple times is to me a normal case. So is a single error. An error being made sometimes is rather what I would call surprising. If you know something but make a mistake it's likely a one-off error. If you don't know something you will make the same error many times until someone alerts you to the situation. Both very likely cases if you ask me. Whereas if you have N mentions and ~N/2 are wrong, then that is the most unlikely case. Since you'd either have to forget what you know half the time, or you would have to make a sloppy mistake half of the time.