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The stat is actually literally the opposite [1]. I don't know how you would scientifically "prove" or disprove trans-ness? It's someone's personal experience, a

The stat is actually literally the opposite [1]. I don't know how you would scientifically "prove" or disprove trans-ness? It's someone's personal experience, and very very real to those folks. [1] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-children-change-their-minds-after-5-years-study-finds.html https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-ch...

hobbitstan 4y ago
Personal experience means little to nothing. We’re talking reality here. And it’s NOT very very real to them. No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. Did you used to identify as trans?
  - hobbitstan 4y ago
    No but I work with teenagers who flip flop on it like crazy. It’s a cult. Nothing more, nothing less.
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      Interesting you say that. I occasionally chat with a person I know IRL about the potential destructiveness of a politicised approach to trans issues, and they're in education too. Used to self-harm, actually, and noticed that a lot of (mostly FTM) trans kids fit into the same demographic that they did as a kid. I'm on the spectrum and had some pretty serious mental health issues myself as a teenager, so I see a different side to the same coin (mainly emotionally dysregulated MTFs). On the flip side, Gender Dysphoria is 100% real and transitioning is an incredibly helpful medical option for those who happened to be born this way. It's an incredibly hairy issue, and I don't think simply dismissing it as a "cult" is the right way to deal with it.
- rocketbop 4y ago
  > No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. I understand the temptation to label something you don't believe in as a cult, and you can for sure observe some of the traits you'd expect in cults in some of the trans discourse online. Overall though it's too reductive; transsexualism has not been dreamed up by a cult leader, it's something recorded and observed for thousands of years. The recent explosion in the discourse warrants more thoughtful and careful interrogation, and less casual dismissal.
  - stemforth 4y ago
    I think they may be referring to the contemporary activism that promotes the 'gender identity' model of transsexualism, which does bear some hallmarks of cult-like behaviour. There is historical evidence of cross-dressing, and of people (mostly men) being prescribed different societal roles that were apparently based on being effeminate. As far as I am aware, there is no evidence that such people were treated as if they were actually the opposite sex, as gender activists these days propose.
    - rocketbop 4y ago
      Sure, as I said in the original comment I do think some of these attribute are present in some of the discourse. OP however was less nuanced and more reductive.
- peterashford 4y ago
  "trans cult"? Really? This is not a serious way to talk about any issue
  - hobbitstan 4y ago
    They’re literally recruiting children online to join their little cult. They’re shipping them cheap Chinese hormones to DIY transition behind their parents backs. Literal cult behavior.
    - stemforth 4y ago
      Some are, and this should be reviled - but is there evidence that this is a widespread practice amongst believers, as one might expect if it was a cult behaviour? I got the impression that it is only a handful of individuals who are doing this, for example that guy who recently had a large cloud services provider shut down a website that exposed his unsavoury activities in this space.
- DanBC 4y ago
  > And it’s NOT very very real to them Except it is. There's no research that show significant rates of desistence in the relevant population, which is children who want to transition. Rates of persistence are high in this population. Rates of regret are low, and are far lower than many other common forms of surgery. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1888989122000283 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S188898912...
  - hobbitstan 4y ago
    Keep that in mind over the coming years as these teenagers outgrow this mania and face what they have done to their bodies. It has already begun.
    - DanBC 4y ago
      No, it hasn't. We have decades of research on this. Rates of desistence are low. Rates of regret are low, and are lower than most other forms of medical care. Edit: Even the submitted article admits that on one side you have medical opinion and science saying PBs are safe and reversible, but that you have Republican politicians saying they're harmful. It doesn't present any evidence that PBs are harmful. I notice that you haven't either. And anti-trans campaigners can't, because their position is incoherent. PBs are apparently so dangerous we can't give them to children, but children who've had them are still so powerful we can't allow them to compete in sports because they'd win everything.

hobbitstan 4y ago

Personal experience means little to nothing. We’re talking reality here. And it’s NOT very very real to them. No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves.

AussieWog93 4y ago
>No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. Did you used to identify as trans?
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  No but I work with teenagers who flip flop on it like crazy. It’s a cult. Nothing more, nothing less.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    Interesting you say that. I occasionally chat with a person I know IRL about the potential destructiveness of a politicised approach to trans issues, and they're in education too. Used to self-harm, actually, and noticed that a lot of (mostly FTM) trans kids fit into the same demographic that they did as a kid. I'm on the spectrum and had some pretty serious mental health issues myself as a teenager, so I see a different side to the same coin (mainly emotionally dysregulated MTFs). On the flip side, Gender Dysphoria is 100% real and transitioning is an incredibly helpful medical option for those who happened to be born this way. It's an incredibly hairy issue, and I don't think simply dismissing it as a "cult" is the right way to deal with it.
rocketbop 4y ago
> No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. I understand the temptation to label something you don't believe in as a cult, and you can for sure observe some of the traits you'd expect in cults in some of the trans discourse online. Overall though it's too reductive; transsexualism has not been dreamed up by a cult leader, it's something recorded and observed for thousands of years. The recent explosion in the discourse warrants more thoughtful and careful interrogation, and less casual dismissal.
- stemforth 4y ago
  I think they may be referring to the contemporary activism that promotes the 'gender identity' model of transsexualism, which does bear some hallmarks of cult-like behaviour. There is historical evidence of cross-dressing, and of people (mostly men) being prescribed different societal roles that were apparently based on being effeminate. As far as I am aware, there is no evidence that such people were treated as if they were actually the opposite sex, as gender activists these days propose.
  - rocketbop 4y ago
    Sure, as I said in the original comment I do think some of these attribute are present in some of the discourse. OP however was less nuanced and more reductive.
peterashford 4y ago
"trans cult"? Really? This is not a serious way to talk about any issue
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  They’re literally recruiting children online to join their little cult. They’re shipping them cheap Chinese hormones to DIY transition behind their parents backs. Literal cult behavior.
  - stemforth 4y ago
    Some are, and this should be reviled - but is there evidence that this is a widespread practice amongst believers, as one might expect if it was a cult behaviour? I got the impression that it is only a handful of individuals who are doing this, for example that guy who recently had a large cloud services provider shut down a website that exposed his unsavoury activities in this space.
DanBC 4y ago
> And it’s NOT very very real to them Except it is. There's no research that show significant rates of desistence in the relevant population, which is children who want to transition. Rates of persistence are high in this population. Rates of regret are low, and are far lower than many other common forms of surgery. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1888989122000283 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S188898912...
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  Keep that in mind over the coming years as these teenagers outgrow this mania and face what they have done to their bodies. It has already begun.
  - DanBC 4y ago
    No, it hasn't. We have decades of research on this. Rates of desistence are low. Rates of regret are low, and are lower than most other forms of medical care. Edit: Even the submitted article admits that on one side you have medical opinion and science saying PBs are safe and reversible, but that you have Republican politicians saying they're harmful. It doesn't present any evidence that PBs are harmful. I notice that you haven't either. And anti-trans campaigners can't, because their position is incoherent. PBs are apparently so dangerous we can't give them to children, but children who've had them are still so powerful we can't allow them to compete in sports because they'd win everything.