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In one study I read, >97% of children who identified as trans changed their mind as they reached adulthood, and the majority were just homosexual. There is lit

In one study I read, >97% of children who identified as trans changed their mind as they reached adulthood, and the majority were just homosexual. There is literally no such thing as a ‘trans’ person. It’s medically and scientifically unproven. Political correctness is having a massive toll on these kids and everyone is too cowardly to stop it.

AussieWog93 4y ago
Gender Dysphoria is definitely real and transitioning has made life a whole lot more bearable for many, many people. That's not to say that self-diagnoses of Gender Dysphoria should be taken at face value, or that it's always in the best interest to send a young person down the path of transitioning, but at the same time there is a population for which transitioning can greatly improve quality of life.
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  It genuinely does not improve their quality of life at all. That ‘post-transition’ bliss fades fast then they’re faced with a brutal reality. Honestly, if society DID care about their well-being, it wouldn't allow puberty blockers, hormones, or surgeries.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    >Honestly, if society DID care about their well-being, it wouldn't allow puberty blockers, hormones, or surgeries. Let's say you're correct about even 90% of cases (I don't think it would be quite this high, but let's just assume). What then about the 10% where transitioning really helps them deal with life? Do we just make their life miserable? To be honest with you, I wouldn't suspect if this is where we end up in 20 years' time when the pendulum swings the other way, but either way it's not an ideal situation.
rocketbop 4y ago
> In one study I read, >97% of children who identified as trans changed their mind as they reached adulthood, and the majority were just homosexual. A citation could be useful. I suspect that good data on this is difficult to generate, . > There is literally no such thing as a ‘trans’ person. This is a pretty difficult statement to contend with, because we need to unpack what you mean by `trans`. I've met transgender people, they certainly do exist, but if you're claiming that those people are not really transgender but just gay men dressing up as women and being performative, we'd have to dig deep into Judith Butler literature to find some common language.
CodingTom 4y ago
The stat is actually literally the opposite [1]. I don't know how you would scientifically "prove" or disprove trans-ness? It's someone's personal experience, and very very real to those folks. [1] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-children-change-their-minds-after-5-years-study-finds.html https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-ch...
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  Personal experience means little to nothing. We’re talking reality here. And it’s NOT very very real to them. No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    >No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. Did you used to identify as trans?
    - hobbitstan 4y ago
      No but I work with teenagers who flip flop on it like crazy. It’s a cult. Nothing more, nothing less.
      - AussieWog93 4y ago
        Interesting you say that. I occasionally chat with a person I know IRL about the potential destructiveness of a politicised approach to trans issues, and they're in education too. Used to self-harm, actually, and noticed that a lot of (mostly FTM) trans kids fit into the same demographic that they did as a kid. I'm on the spectrum and had some pretty serious mental health issues myself as a teenager, so I see a different side to the same coin (mainly emotionally dysregulated MTFs). On the flip side, Gender Dysphoria is 100% real and transitioning is an incredibly helpful medical option for those who happened to be born this way. It's an incredibly hairy issue, and I don't think simply dismissing it as a "cult" is the right way to deal with it.
peterashford 4y ago
There have been trans people forever. For example - traditional Samoan society has always had non-binary people. These people are not confused nor responding to "political correctness" https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspectives-faafafine-and-faafatama https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspective...
- hobbitstan 4y ago
  That means nothing. There have been mentally ill people forever too. It doesn’t change reality.
  - peterashford 4y ago
    They're not mentally ill. You are a bigot
- stemforth 4y ago
  I find it interesting that they distinguish between fa'afafine and fa'afatama as descriptions of who fulfils this social role, with the former being male and the latter being female. That doesn't really map onto the recent idea of 'non-binary', where one's sex is supposed to be entirely ignored, and the idea of someone being a 'non-binary man' or a 'non-binary woman' is generally considered wrong or even offensive to believers of this ideology.
  - peterashford 4y ago
    Indigenous ideas often don't map onto western concepts because they aren't western concepts

AussieWog93 4y ago

Gender Dysphoria is definitely real and transitioning has made life a whole lot more bearable for many, many people. That's not to say that self-diagnoses of Gender Dysphoria should be taken at face value, or that it's always in the best interest to send a young person down the path of transitioning, but at the same time there is a population for which transitioning can greatly improve quality of life.

hobbitstan 4y ago
It genuinely does not improve their quality of life at all. That ‘post-transition’ bliss fades fast then they’re faced with a brutal reality. Honestly, if society DID care about their well-being, it wouldn't allow puberty blockers, hormones, or surgeries.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >Honestly, if society DID care about their well-being, it wouldn't allow puberty blockers, hormones, or surgeries. Let's say you're correct about even 90% of cases (I don't think it would be quite this high, but let's just assume). What then about the 10% where transitioning really helps them deal with life? Do we just make their life miserable? To be honest with you, I wouldn't suspect if this is where we end up in 20 years' time when the pendulum swings the other way, but either way it's not an ideal situation.

rocketbop 4y ago

> In one study I read, >97% of children who identified as trans changed their mind as they reached adulthood, and the majority were just homosexual. A citation could be useful. I suspect that good data on this is difficult to generate, . > There is literally no such thing as a ‘trans’ person. This is a pretty difficult statement to contend with, because we need to unpack what you mean by `trans`. I've met transgender people, they certainly do exist, but if you're claiming that those people are not really transgender but just gay men dressing up as women and being performative, we'd have to dig deep into Judith Butler literature to find some common language.

CodingTom 4y ago

The stat is actually literally the opposite [1]. I don't know how you would scientifically "prove" or disprove trans-ness? It's someone's personal experience, and very very real to those folks. [1] https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-children-change-their-minds-after-5-years-study-finds.html https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/few-transgender-ch...

hobbitstan 4y ago
Personal experience means little to nothing. We’re talking reality here. And it’s NOT very very real to them. No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  >No one knows about the deception at the heart of the trans cult better than the cult members themselves. Did you used to identify as trans?
  - hobbitstan 4y ago
    No but I work with teenagers who flip flop on it like crazy. It’s a cult. Nothing more, nothing less.
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      Interesting you say that. I occasionally chat with a person I know IRL about the potential destructiveness of a politicised approach to trans issues, and they're in education too. Used to self-harm, actually, and noticed that a lot of (mostly FTM) trans kids fit into the same demographic that they did as a kid. I'm on the spectrum and had some pretty serious mental health issues myself as a teenager, so I see a different side to the same coin (mainly emotionally dysregulated MTFs). On the flip side, Gender Dysphoria is 100% real and transitioning is an incredibly helpful medical option for those who happened to be born this way. It's an incredibly hairy issue, and I don't think simply dismissing it as a "cult" is the right way to deal with it.

peterashford 4y ago

There have been trans people forever. For example - traditional Samoan society has always had non-binary people. These people are not confused nor responding to "political correctness" https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspectives-faafafine-and-faafatama https://nhm.org/stories/beyond-gender-indigenous-perspective...

hobbitstan 4y ago
That means nothing. There have been mentally ill people forever too. It doesn’t change reality.
- peterashford 4y ago
  They're not mentally ill. You are a bigot
stemforth 4y ago
I find it interesting that they distinguish between fa'afafine and fa'afatama as descriptions of who fulfils this social role, with the former being male and the latter being female. That doesn't really map onto the recent idea of 'non-binary', where one's sex is supposed to be entirely ignored, and the idea of someone being a 'non-binary man' or a 'non-binary woman' is generally considered wrong or even offensive to believers of this ideology.
- peterashford 4y ago
  Indigenous ideas often don't map onto western concepts because they aren't western concepts