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I agree - even if they're legally allowed to just take his work, it would've been nice to let OP know.

alt227 4y ago
Considering they fully own all of the IP present in the OPs work, I would imagine they are within their full rights to just take it without asking. OP is lucky not to get a takedown notice and judging by his attitude he knows it. Good to see people playing nicely together :)
- bayindirh 4y ago
  It’s MIT licensed. They don’t need to ask. They need to add his name to credits and/or send an email about what they did. It’s basic courtesy (plus MIT license, if you prefer).
  - ilyt 4y ago
    You need to use 3 or 4 clause BSD not MIT if you want to get in credits.
    - makapuf 4y ago
      courtesy cannot be enforced, that's the point.
    - bayindirh 4y ago
      I bet if it was 3 or 4 clause BSD, somebody will say that "open source is open source, I don't care".
- s-macke 4y ago
  The games were already playable online on archive.org [1]. My project is just focussed on the old flight simulators. Especially I wanted to have a very light-weight emulator which starts within milliseconds. The major part of the emulator downloads with just 24kB compressed. I suppose I have reached the goal. [1] https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games
Liquix 4y ago
No credit is owed, no thanks are due. This is an unavoidable effect of usuing the MIT license over something like GPL. Andrew Tanenbaum on choosing MIT for the MINIX project, which was used by Intel + the IC as a base for the Intel Management Engine (emphasis mine): "The only thing that would have been nice is that after the project had been finished and the chip deployed, that someone from Intel would have told me, just as a courtesy, that MINIX was now probably the most widely used operating system in the world on x86 computers. That certainly wasn't required in any way, but I think it would have been polite to give me a heads up, that's all." If you'd like to avoid a large company profiting off your work without attribution, don't use MIT.
- rkagerer 4y ago
  Thanks for relaying that ought-to-be canonical example. It may not be owed/due, but common decency suggests you give a heads up. In Intel's case I'm guessing there was a contending motive in that they preferred not to draw attention to it.
  - esperent 4y ago
    > common decency Large companies don't operate according to human social norms like this. It's important to be reminded of this fact from time to time.
    - darkwater 4y ago
      At some point, no matter how big the company is [1], there are humans redacting, validating and applying the policy. [1] Ok, maybe Google have just bots for this also. ;)
  - 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
    You can put that clause in your license! Something like: If you use this software in a commercial product, you are required to make an attempt to send me an e-mail letting me know about it, because it's just nice to know. Of course that would piss off the lawyers because now if a developer uses your software and doesn't e-mail you, you could sue them. But it's not like big companies always respect licenses anyway :)

Considering they fully own all of the IP present in the OPs work, I would imagine they are within their full rights to just take it without asking. OP is lucky not to get a takedown notice and judging by his attitude he knows it. Good to see people playing nicely together :)

bayindirh 4y ago
It’s MIT licensed. They don’t need to ask. They need to add his name to credits and/or send an email about what they did. It’s basic courtesy (plus MIT license, if you prefer).
- ilyt 4y ago
  You need to use 3 or 4 clause BSD not MIT if you want to get in credits.
  - makapuf 4y ago
    courtesy cannot be enforced, that's the point.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    I bet if it was 3 or 4 clause BSD, somebody will say that "open source is open source, I don't care".
s-macke 4y ago
The games were already playable online on archive.org [1]. My project is just focussed on the old flight simulators. Especially I wanted to have a very light-weight emulator which starts within milliseconds. The major part of the emulator downloads with just 24kB compressed. I suppose I have reached the goal. [1] https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games

Liquix 4y ago

No credit is owed, no thanks are due. This is an unavoidable effect of usuing the MIT license over something like GPL. Andrew Tanenbaum on choosing MIT for the MINIX project, which was used by Intel + the IC as a base for the Intel Management Engine (emphasis mine): "The only thing that would have been nice is that after the project had been finished and the chip deployed, that someone from Intel would have told me, just as a courtesy, that MINIX was now probably the most widely used operating system in the world on x86 computers. That certainly wasn't required in any way, but I think it would have been polite to give me a heads up, that's all." If you'd like to avoid a large company profiting off your work without attribution, don't use MIT.

rkagerer 4y ago
Thanks for relaying that ought-to-be canonical example. It may not be owed/due, but common decency suggests you give a heads up. In Intel's case I'm guessing there was a contending motive in that they preferred not to draw attention to it.
- esperent 4y ago
  > common decency Large companies don't operate according to human social norms like this. It's important to be reminded of this fact from time to time.
  - darkwater 4y ago
    At some point, no matter how big the company is [1], there are humans redacting, validating and applying the policy. [1] Ok, maybe Google have just bots for this also. ;)
- 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
  You can put that clause in your license! Something like: If you use this software in a commercial product, you are required to make an attempt to send me an e-mail letting me know about it, because it's just nice to know. Of course that would piss off the lawyers because now if a developer uses your software and doesn't e-mail you, you could sue them. But it's not like big companies always respect licenses anyway :)