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> central planning has never made this kind of thing better. If the Chinese central planner Xi had decided against a zero-covid policy in China, this thing wou

> central planning has never made this kind of thing better. If the Chinese central planner Xi had decided against a zero-covid policy in China, this thing would have been far better.

meitham 4y ago
In the UK we have a fraction of the population of China, and we did half arsed lockdown and lost nearly quarter million lifes! Imagine the death count in China if they went Sweden mode! Their zero covid policy is an example of putting population ahead of economy and make every other nation jealous.
- markdown 4y ago
  Except there's no such thing as a zero covid, anywhere. Eventually you get covid and if you're susceptible (mainly old), you die. But that's beside the point.
  - meitham 4y ago
    The goal of the lockdown is to contains spreads and reduce death, reduce the chance of giving the virus an open field to mutate and yield new variants. Of course it’s never going to be zero death, but their numbers fared better than even smaller nations https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
    - thrown_22 4y ago
      Their released numbers. Least we forget this is the country that declared war on sparrows and lost.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > Except there's no such thing as a zero covid, anywhere. Eventually you get covid and if you're susceptible (mainly old), you die. Had everyone followed the New Zealand model in the first year until vaccines were widespread and available, the virus would have gotten extinct just as Influenza Yamagata strain.
    - rjh29 4y ago
      Japan closed its borders for almost three years and it didn't save them at all.
    - roel_v 4y ago
      You mean everybody should just be an island with low and very dispersed population, with relatively high development levels at the start and high degrees of self sufficiency wrt basic needs? Why, why didn't they all just do that then!
mschuster91 4y ago
> this thing would have been far better. China has about 1.4 billion people - and all-time 5.226 COVID deaths. The US has 331 million people - about a quarter of China - and an all-time of 1.1 million people, about 200x of China. As much as it pains me to write this, but China did the morally better thing here and actually cared about the lives of its citizens.
- Swenrekcah 4y ago
  I think it is more accurate that the CCP cared about China as an entity. Their actions have been very heavy handed and haven’t shown much respect for individual liberties.
- lynx23 4y ago
  Some people prefer death over slavery. Others think being alive is worth much more then anything else. So, I guess one can choose now: 996 and zero-covid, or a bit more freedom and a bit more risk... I know what I prefer.
  - vkou 4y ago
    Except the choice wasn't between 996 and COVID, it was between serious, targeted lockdowns that everyone hates... And COVID and ineffective, more limited, but also more broad restrictions that everyone also hates.
    - AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
- tomcam 4y ago
  China lies about everything. All public stats are cooked. There is no free press to question these absurd numbers, no whistleblower laws respected. Their leaders have never ever cared about the lives of individual citizens. Xu’s hero, Mao, boasted that he would sacrifice as many innocent lives as he saw fit to reach his goals. The 5,000 number is laughable and meant only to keep Xi from executing party members, which he would certainly do if they told him anything approximating fact. Eventually you will learn that way more than 5,000 people, mostly senior citizens, died from starvation alone during the recent months-long lockdown in Shanghai.

> central planning has never made this kind of thing better. If the Chinese central planner Xi had decided against a zero-covid policy in China, this thing would have been far better.

meitham 4y ago

In the UK we have a fraction of the population of China, and we did half arsed lockdown and lost nearly quarter million lifes! Imagine the death count in China if they went Sweden mode! Their zero covid policy is an example of putting population ahead of economy and make every other nation jealous.

markdown 4y ago
Except there's no such thing as a zero covid, anywhere. Eventually you get covid and if you're susceptible (mainly old), you die. But that's beside the point.
- meitham 4y ago
  The goal of the lockdown is to contains spreads and reduce death, reduce the chance of giving the virus an open field to mutate and yield new variants. Of course it’s never going to be zero death, but their numbers fared better than even smaller nations https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    Their released numbers. Least we forget this is the country that declared war on sparrows and lost.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Except there's no such thing as a zero covid, anywhere. Eventually you get covid and if you're susceptible (mainly old), you die. Had everyone followed the New Zealand model in the first year until vaccines were widespread and available, the virus would have gotten extinct just as Influenza Yamagata strain.
  - rjh29 4y ago
    Japan closed its borders for almost three years and it didn't save them at all.
  - roel_v 4y ago
    You mean everybody should just be an island with low and very dispersed population, with relatively high development levels at the start and high degrees of self sufficiency wrt basic needs? Why, why didn't they all just do that then!

mschuster91 4y ago

> this thing would have been far better. China has about 1.4 billion people - and all-time 5.226 COVID deaths. The US has 331 million people - about a quarter of China - and an all-time of 1.1 million people, about 200x of China. As much as it pains me to write this, but China did the morally better thing here and actually cared about the lives of its citizens.

Swenrekcah 4y ago
I think it is more accurate that the CCP cared about China as an entity. Their actions have been very heavy handed and haven’t shown much respect for individual liberties.
lynx23 4y ago
Some people prefer death over slavery. Others think being alive is worth much more then anything else. So, I guess one can choose now: 996 and zero-covid, or a bit more freedom and a bit more risk... I know what I prefer.
- vkou 4y ago
  Except the choice wasn't between 996 and COVID, it was between serious, targeted lockdowns that everyone hates... And COVID and ineffective, more limited, but also more broad restrictions that everyone also hates.
  - AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
tomcam 4y ago
China lies about everything. All public stats are cooked. There is no free press to question these absurd numbers, no whistleblower laws respected. Their leaders have never ever cared about the lives of individual citizens. Xu’s hero, Mao, boasted that he would sacrifice as many innocent lives as he saw fit to reach his goals. The 5,000 number is laughable and meant only to keep Xi from executing party members, which he would certainly do if they told him anything approximating fact. Eventually you will learn that way more than 5,000 people, mostly senior citizens, died from starvation alone during the recent months-long lockdown in Shanghai.