> Those two books together crystallized in me what it could mean to have a world view absent of supernatural forces. Could you elaborate on this? I don't consi

> Those two books together crystallized in me what it could mean to have a world view absent of supernatural forces. Could you elaborate on this? I don't consider myself religious or atheistic, and in general, I think religion and science are fundamentally two different things. Although, science in practice and as a human social structure can behave as a sort of religion, whether scientists want to believe that or not. (see Feyerabend). There is also spirituality, which is distinct from religion. A religion is often more of a social structure than it is a belief system. To me, getting an answer to the existence or non-existence of a god or gods is would be as meaningless as an answer to what created the universe. Both answers, if even possible, would be about as meaningful as "it's turtles all the way down", because I don't see any end to the line of questioning of "so what came before?".