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Have you read this exception in the link you posted: - "with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of

Have you read this exception in the link you posted: - "with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis followingvaccination. The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are available in the U.S." I'd say it's worth a mention. But then it's also quite an unfair comparison if you compare the all the vaccinated against a filtered group of unvaccinated people.

wwweston 4y ago
I read that passage as "men who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a very modest increased risk of myocarditis over those who both did not receive such a dose and remain (apparently) uninfected" -- eg, it's possible that specific intervention slightly increases absolute risk of myocarditis vs whatever group can avoid both vaccination and infection indefinitely (a group I suspect is not large). It's also possible I'm not reading it correctly, but I'm not sure how else to square it with the observation that men have higher baseline and post-covid-infection myocarditis risks generally (and covid patients have something like 10-20x elevated risks of myocarditis).
- tekknik 4y ago
  How do you square this with chest pains after injections, either first or second dose? Say you’re also in the <40 age bracket.
- francisduvivier 4y ago
  So the full passage below. Seems quite unambiguous to me that for the second moderna shot,the risk is higher than for unvaccinated Covid infection. I also wonder how to square it with the rest of their claimsc Seems that you can't take any publication headline of any instance on any side of the argument on face value when stuff gets politicized like this. "But the risk of myocarditis associated with the vaccine was lower than the risk associated with COVID-19 infection before or after vaccination – with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination. The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are available in the U.S."

wwweston 4y ago

I read that passage as "men who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a very modest increased risk of myocarditis over those who both did not receive such a dose and remain (apparently) uninfected" -- eg, it's possible that specific intervention slightly increases absolute risk of myocarditis vs whatever group can avoid both vaccination and infection indefinitely (a group I suspect is not large). It's also possible I'm not reading it correctly, but I'm not sure how else to square it with the observation that men have higher baseline and post-covid-infection myocarditis risks generally (and covid patients have something like 10-20x elevated risks of myocarditis).

tekknik 4y ago
How do you square this with chest pains after injections, either first or second dose? Say you’re also in the <40 age bracket.
francisduvivier 4y ago
So the full passage below. Seems quite unambiguous to me that for the second moderna shot,the risk is higher than for unvaccinated Covid infection. I also wonder how to square it with the rest of their claimsc Seems that you can't take any publication headline of any instance on any side of the argument on face value when stuff gets politicized like this. "But the risk of myocarditis associated with the vaccine was lower than the risk associated with COVID-19 infection before or after vaccination – with one exception. Men under 40 who received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine had a higher risk of myocarditis following vaccination. The Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines are available in the U.S."