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Publicly calling your CEO out like that will generally get you fired. It would be newsworthy if the engineer didn't get released.

PaulHoule 4y ago
That's true. But it's also a setup to get Musk to make yet another own goal by showing how hollow Musk's free-speech absolutism is.
- quantified 4y ago
  The speech was free in that it wasn't muzzled, the tweet is still up. Doesn't mean it was free of the usual consequences.
  - UlisesAC4 4y ago
    If your comment on something, which in turn was right or not ends having consequences then free speech doesn't apply at all.
    - quantified 4y ago
      I see that "the usual consequences" isn't all that popular based on downvoting. These comments are staying up on HN, it's handling the speech and the speech is gathering consequences too. Speech has consequences. If I insult your choice of clothing in front of a crowd, I can expect you to disinvite me from your party. Perhaps this is a question of the use of the word "free". There's a narrow interpretation of it to mean "able to be said" and also "allowed or constrained by government". Twitter deplatforming this engineer would be fit the narrow flavor, and nothing written so far suggests that happened. Elon has not said the Twitter will have a free-speech-oriented employer-employee dynamic. Few if any workplaces have. I'd be very interested in hearing from people who think their management chain would handle it well, especially if they think their management chain would publicly pop off with the information level on topics that Elon appears to be. I'm not on the side of a petty thin-skinned manager behaving like this at all. I just believe it is pretty much the common case that managers called out in public will fire you, so you'd expect it. Especially from Elon.
theCrowing 4y ago
Mhm... I don't know some better ones might see a spin in it and use it for themselves instead of playing "though".
tgv 4y ago
> Publicly calling your CEO out like that will generally get you fired. It would be newsworthy if the engineer didn't get released. You can only think that as an unavoidable consequence if you assume the CEO's ego is more important than the company.
- quantified 4y ago
  Not necessarily more important than the company, but you got my drift perfectly. Many CEOs would get you into Siberia and released over a period of months, quietly. Not this one, and I think everyone knew that ahead of time.

PaulHoule 4y ago

That's true. But it's also a setup to get Musk to make yet another own goal by showing how hollow Musk's free-speech absolutism is.

quantified 4y ago
The speech was free in that it wasn't muzzled, the tweet is still up. Doesn't mean it was free of the usual consequences.
- UlisesAC4 4y ago
  If your comment on something, which in turn was right or not ends having consequences then free speech doesn't apply at all.
  - quantified 4y ago
    I see that "the usual consequences" isn't all that popular based on downvoting. These comments are staying up on HN, it's handling the speech and the speech is gathering consequences too. Speech has consequences. If I insult your choice of clothing in front of a crowd, I can expect you to disinvite me from your party. Perhaps this is a question of the use of the word "free". There's a narrow interpretation of it to mean "able to be said" and also "allowed or constrained by government". Twitter deplatforming this engineer would be fit the narrow flavor, and nothing written so far suggests that happened. Elon has not said the Twitter will have a free-speech-oriented employer-employee dynamic. Few if any workplaces have. I'd be very interested in hearing from people who think their management chain would handle it well, especially if they think their management chain would publicly pop off with the information level on topics that Elon appears to be. I'm not on the side of a petty thin-skinned manager behaving like this at all. I just believe it is pretty much the common case that managers called out in public will fire you, so you'd expect it. Especially from Elon.

theCrowing 4y ago

Mhm... I don't know some better ones might see a spin in it and use it for themselves instead of playing "though".

tgv 4y ago

> Publicly calling your CEO out like that will generally get you fired. It would be newsworthy if the engineer didn't get released. You can only think that as an unavoidable consequence if you assume the CEO's ego is more important than the company.

quantified 4y ago
Not necessarily more important than the company, but you got my drift perfectly. Many CEOs would get you into Siberia and released over a period of months, quietly. Not this one, and I think everyone knew that ahead of time.