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> The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease The vaccines weren't trialed and aren't approved to

> The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease The vaccines weren't trialed and aren't approved to prevent the spread of the disease....so? I don't know about you, but I actually read the FDA's initial report on the Pfizer trials, and it was complete nonsense. They didn't even test each participant for covid, only some participants, with no clear reasoning as to which. I'm never going to take experimental gene therapy drugs, it's just never going to happen.

ivraatiems 4y ago
> gene therapy drugs The use of this term to describe an mRNA vaccine suggests you do not understand how these vaccines work whatsoever. I am not surprised you didn't understand the FDA's report given that you don't understand how the vaccines work at all.
- linuxftw 4y ago
  A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines. I'm not willing to pretend that these new medical products are in any way similar to the previous technology. Gene therapy accurately describes the drug's effect. It injects instructions into your cells to replicate a protein, that's gene therapy. In this case, rather than treating some disease, it's designed to provoke an immune response. Hard pass.
  - ivraatiems 4y ago
    > "A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines." That's not what a vaccine is. Vaccines do not "require" an antigen, they "act as" an antigen. Whether they include the antigen directly or a mechanism for producing it doesn't matter. Live-virus vaccines are just a more imprecise version of the technology that powers mRNA vaccines. They're doing the same thing, but more sloppily. > It injects instructions into your cells to replicate a protein, that's gene therapy. Again, you don't understand the term. "Gene therapy" involves actually changing the DNA housed in the nucleus in your cells. mRNA vaccines can't do that. This is also how every virus, including COVID works. "Injected into cells" is imprecise terminology that makes it sound like it's doing something novel that will persist in your cell after the mRNA decays. That isn't true. The mRNA doesn't become part of your DNA. It eventually decays and becomes useless. Until then, mechanisms within the cell use it to produce the protein - one of the same proteins COVID produces when you are sick with it. If you are scared of this mechanism of action, you should be downright terrified of ever getting a viral infection, or any vaccine at all, or really just living in the world. Real viruses do the exact same thing, except some of them (like retroviruses) also alter your DNA. The human genome is littered with the genes for viruses that wormed their way in over time. mRNA vaccines are just doing the same thing the virus already does, but in a more controlled, less dangerous way, and obviously without viral replication in the host. But, again, the whole point of my original comment is that none of this will matter to you, most likely. I suspect you will keep believing false things about these vaccines which justify your position that you don't want to take them. Hopefully this information makes some difference to someone else. Anyway, I think this is enough back-and-forth with you; between this and the "Marxist-level thinking" comment it's pretty clear there's nothing to gain by this anymore.
    - linuxftw 4y ago
      > involves actually changing the DNA housed in the nucleus in your cells. No, that's gene modification, one type of gene therapy. Here's a paper that discusses using mRNA as gene therapy to treat cancer [1]. Transcription into a cell's own DNA isn't a requirement for something to be gene therapy, only that the intent is to have a cell produce something it otherwise wouldn't. That can be permanent (DNA transcription), or temporary (mRNA that doesn't replicate). I'm sorry you've been misled by the media, but mRNA and Adeno-vector 'vaccines' are not vaccines, they are gene therapy drugs. Vaccines contain an antigen. > between this and the "Marxist-level thinking" I mean, you seem to be sharing ideas that are ideologically similar to Marx. Control the population with propaganda, if they don't comply, use force. 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8949480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8949480/

ivraatiems 4y ago

> gene therapy drugs The use of this term to describe an mRNA vaccine suggests you do not understand how these vaccines work whatsoever. I am not surprised you didn't understand the FDA's report given that you don't understand how the vaccines work at all.

linuxftw 4y ago
A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines. I'm not willing to pretend that these new medical products are in any way similar to the previous technology. Gene therapy accurately describes the drug's effect. It injects instructions into your cells to replicate a protein, that's gene therapy. In this case, rather than treating some disease, it's designed to provoke an immune response. Hard pass.
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  > "A vaccine requires an antigen. There's no antigen in the mRNA or Adeno-vector vaccines." That's not what a vaccine is. Vaccines do not "require" an antigen, they "act as" an antigen. Whether they include the antigen directly or a mechanism for producing it doesn't matter. Live-virus vaccines are just a more imprecise version of the technology that powers mRNA vaccines. They're doing the same thing, but more sloppily. > It injects instructions into your cells to replicate a protein, that's gene therapy. Again, you don't understand the term. "Gene therapy" involves actually changing the DNA housed in the nucleus in your cells. mRNA vaccines can't do that. This is also how every virus, including COVID works. "Injected into cells" is imprecise terminology that makes it sound like it's doing something novel that will persist in your cell after the mRNA decays. That isn't true. The mRNA doesn't become part of your DNA. It eventually decays and becomes useless. Until then, mechanisms within the cell use it to produce the protein - one of the same proteins COVID produces when you are sick with it. If you are scared of this mechanism of action, you should be downright terrified of ever getting a viral infection, or any vaccine at all, or really just living in the world. Real viruses do the exact same thing, except some of them (like retroviruses) also alter your DNA. The human genome is littered with the genes for viruses that wormed their way in over time. mRNA vaccines are just doing the same thing the virus already does, but in a more controlled, less dangerous way, and obviously without viral replication in the host. But, again, the whole point of my original comment is that none of this will matter to you, most likely. I suspect you will keep believing false things about these vaccines which justify your position that you don't want to take them. Hopefully this information makes some difference to someone else. Anyway, I think this is enough back-and-forth with you; between this and the "Marxist-level thinking" comment it's pretty clear there's nothing to gain by this anymore.
  - linuxftw 4y ago
    > involves actually changing the DNA housed in the nucleus in your cells. No, that's gene modification, one type of gene therapy. Here's a paper that discusses using mRNA as gene therapy to treat cancer [1]. Transcription into a cell's own DNA isn't a requirement for something to be gene therapy, only that the intent is to have a cell produce something it otherwise wouldn't. That can be permanent (DNA transcription), or temporary (mRNA that doesn't replicate). I'm sorry you've been misled by the media, but mRNA and Adeno-vector 'vaccines' are not vaccines, they are gene therapy drugs. Vaccines contain an antigen. > between this and the "Marxist-level thinking" I mean, you seem to be sharing ideas that are ideologically similar to Marx. Control the population with propaganda, if they don't comply, use force. 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8949480/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8949480/