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That's an under appreciated point. Dealing with inefficiencies is perhaps Elon's greatest strength and why Tesla and SpaceX managed to succeed. Andrej Karpathy

by memish 4y ago

That's an under appreciated point. Dealing with inefficiencies is perhaps Elon's greatest strength and why Tesla and SpaceX managed to succeed. Andrej Karpathy (ex-Tesla head of AI) talked about this recently. "I think Elon is a very efficient warrior in the fight against entropy in organizations". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxladysbTE

ryzvonusef 4y ago
Exactly, Elon might be a nitpicking boss from hell, but it does result in some excellent efficiencies in tesla manufacturing process, from the super bottle to the octovalve, some amazing stuff has come out of it.
- Haga 4y ago
- misiti3780 4y ago
  super bottle?
  - Tempest1981 4y ago
    Top google result: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e... Part of the cooling system.
    - misiti3780 4y ago
      cool!
  - ryzvonusef 4y ago
    Tesla had a thermal management system called "Super bottle", which later eveolved into the "OctoValve". instead of multiple coolant systems as in other cars, they combined them all into one big system, and gain benefits from that. It was a very clever bit of engineering, and octovalve only improved upon it further. More on the Super Bottle: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e...
- treis 4y ago
  Tesla's are consistently at the bottom of reliability ratings and rather infamous for their crap build quality. Obviously they are ahead with Autopilot and their electric drive train. But in terms of building cars they're terrible and way behind leaders like Honda & Toyota.
  - ryzvonusef 4y ago
    this is neither here or there. With Tesla I've understood that it's an onion, each layer having a new adventure. Where it comes to things engineers can do, Tesla leads the pack comfortably. Seeing as Tesla and SpaceX attract the best and brightest of engineers straight from university, this a resource Elon can comfortably throw at any problem and get amazing results, since he doesn't answer to anyone and give a carte blanche to his minions to work at the problem to his satisfaction. Hence the amazing coolant systems and motors and stuff like that. but where it refers to things which are to be done by assembly line staff... that requires institutional knowledge, which, like good tea, require time to steep, and that's something Elon is unwilling to wait on, and Tesla suffers as a consequence. This is not something you can throw money or engineers to fix, (sure to some extent, but...) it takes time for the line workers to get into the rhythm of building things correctly, the first time without error, and further time to build up speed. Elon's impatience hampers this, and the constant changes and tweaks doesn't help.
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by memish 4y ago

ryzvonusef 4y ago

Exactly, Elon might be a nitpicking boss from hell, but it does result in some excellent efficiencies in tesla manufacturing process, from the super bottle to the octovalve, some amazing stuff has come out of it.

Haga 4y ago
misiti3780 4y ago
super bottle?
- Tempest1981 4y ago
  Top google result: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e... Part of the cooling system.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    cool!
- ryzvonusef 4y ago
  Tesla had a thermal management system called "Super bottle", which later eveolved into the "OctoValve". instead of multiple coolant systems as in other cars, they combined them all into one big system, and gain benefits from that. It was a very clever bit of engineering, and octovalve only improved upon it further. More on the Super Bottle: https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-egg-is-a-fascin-1830992728 https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-3s-superbottle-easter-e...
treis 4y ago
Tesla's are consistently at the bottom of reliability ratings and rather infamous for their crap build quality. Obviously they are ahead with Autopilot and their electric drive train. But in terms of building cars they're terrible and way behind leaders like Honda & Toyota.
- ryzvonusef 4y ago
  this is neither here or there. With Tesla I've understood that it's an onion, each layer having a new adventure. Where it comes to things engineers can do, Tesla leads the pack comfortably. Seeing as Tesla and SpaceX attract the best and brightest of engineers straight from university, this a resource Elon can comfortably throw at any problem and get amazing results, since he doesn't answer to anyone and give a carte blanche to his minions to work at the problem to his satisfaction. Hence the amazing coolant systems and motors and stuff like that. but where it refers to things which are to be done by assembly line staff... that requires institutional knowledge, which, like good tea, require time to steep, and that's something Elon is unwilling to wait on, and Tesla suffers as a consequence. This is not something you can throw money or engineers to fix, (sure to some extent, but...) it takes time for the line workers to get into the rhythm of building things correctly, the first time without error, and further time to build up speed. Elon's impatience hampers this, and the constant changes and tweaks doesn't help.
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