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No one called it a paradise. That's a strawman argument. I've been using my own domain for my email for over two decades. In that time it's been self-hosted, h

by js2 4y ago

No one called it a paradise. That's a strawman argument. I've been using my own domain for my email for over two decades. In that time it's been self-hosted, hosted with Google, and hosted with Fastmail. I control it, so I can take it wherever I want. I've been able to take my full message history with me too. It has not been a "total failure" with spam/abuse either, though I'm glad to have Fastmail handle that for me these days. In any case, I'll take the tradeoffs over a centralized system.

vidarh 4y ago
Same position here, and having the ability to move my domain is by far the most important to me. And also why my medium to long term plan is to move my Mastodon setup to my own domains. > though I'm glad to have Fastmail handle that for me these days. I get less spam in my Fastmail account than on my remaining Gmail accounts, but far more importantly for me: I get far fewer false positives with Fastmail. The amount of real mail that used to end up in my Gmail spam folder made the spam filtering pretty much pointless because I ended up going through the spam folder daily anyway.
FpUser 4y ago
>"I've been using my own domain for my email for over two decades." Same here since the end of the 90s. Completely agree with the rest of your post.
blowski 4y ago
I receive as much social media spam as I do email.
piccolbo 4y ago
But that's enabled by the DNS MX record. There isn't anything like that for social AFAIK, so if you wanted to do the same with your mastodon account you are hosed. Some people are saying once you have million followers on mastdon.social, you are not going to restart from zero on mastodon.net. You can, but it's hard. So centralized or federated, without handle portability, it's not very different. You are stuck. It seems to me federated mail and federated social are similar for people who don't own their DNS entry (gmail addresses), but for people like you, that's a substantial difference. You'd have to run your own instance to have your own social handle, and that isn't portability, that's DIY. It only works for a small number of techies, you have to have an instance and a domain.
- js2 4y ago
  > so if you wanted to do the same with your mastodon account you are hosed I don't believe that's true: https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own-donain-without-hosting-server.html https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own... Also https://masto.host/how/ https://masto.host/how/ and https://simonwillison.net/2022/Nov/8/mastodon-is-just-blogs/ https://simonwillison.net/2022/Nov/8/mastodon-is-just-blogs/
- toofy 4y ago
  > Some people are saying once you have million followers on mastdon.social, you are not going to restart from zero on mastodon.net. i think we should have learned by now that when “some people are saying…” we should be very skeptical if those claims are based in reality. in this case, they’re not. if you wish to move from .social to .net you move your account and your million followers go with you.
- aendruk 4y ago
  > anything like that for social If I understand correctly, /.well-known/webfinger should do the trick. I’m “at” the same long term domain in several protocols— @name@mydomain # ActivityPub @name:mydomain # Matrix name@mydomain # Email —and none of those services are actually run by the server behind the A record.

by js2 4y ago

vidarh 4y ago

Same position here, and having the ability to move my domain is by far the most important to me. And also why my medium to long term plan is to move my Mastodon setup to my own domains. > though I'm glad to have Fastmail handle that for me these days. I get less spam in my Fastmail account than on my remaining Gmail accounts, but far more importantly for me: I get far fewer false positives with Fastmail. The amount of real mail that used to end up in my Gmail spam folder made the spam filtering pretty much pointless because I ended up going through the spam folder daily anyway.

FpUser 4y ago

>"I've been using my own domain for my email for over two decades." Same here since the end of the 90s. Completely agree with the rest of your post.

blowski 4y ago

I receive as much social media spam as I do email.

piccolbo 4y ago

But that's enabled by the DNS MX record. There isn't anything like that for social AFAIK, so if you wanted to do the same with your mastodon account you are hosed. Some people are saying once you have million followers on mastdon.social, you are not going to restart from zero on mastodon.net. You can, but it's hard. So centralized or federated, without handle portability, it's not very different. You are stuck. It seems to me federated mail and federated social are similar for people who don't own their DNS entry (gmail addresses), but for people like you, that's a substantial difference. You'd have to run your own instance to have your own social handle, and that isn't portability, that's DIY. It only works for a small number of techies, you have to have an instance and a domain.

js2 4y ago
> so if you wanted to do the same with your mastodon account you are hosed I don't believe that's true: https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own-donain-without-hosting-server.html https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own... Also https://masto.host/how/ https://masto.host/how/ and https://simonwillison.net/2022/Nov/8/mastodon-is-just-blogs/ https://simonwillison.net/2022/Nov/8/mastodon-is-just-blogs/
toofy 4y ago
> Some people are saying once you have million followers on mastdon.social, you are not going to restart from zero on mastodon.net. i think we should have learned by now that when “some people are saying…” we should be very skeptical if those claims are based in reality. in this case, they’re not. if you wish to move from .social to .net you move your account and your million followers go with you.
aendruk 4y ago
> anything like that for social If I understand correctly, /.well-known/webfinger should do the trick. I’m “at” the same long term domain in several protocols— @name@mydomain # ActivityPub @name:mydomain # Matrix name@mydomain # Email —and none of those services are actually run by the server behind the A record.