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Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic - t

Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic - they serve their (generally wealthy) patrons, not society.

ch4s3 4y ago
> Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. State money already goes to a dizzying array of non-profit and religious institutions. Anywhere from local homeless and addiction services to the University of Notre Dame. Why should primary and secondary schools be excluded? > Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic This is a meaningless statement. The VST majority of private schools in the US are non-profits. > they serve their (generally wealthy) patrons, not society. Religious schools in the US started out as a cheap way to educate the poor in reading. Catholic schools in particular still serve poorer communities and are low cost. Residential assignment in public schools comes from a legacy of segregation and anti-catholic laws. The wealth will always have their pick of education for their children and always have. Denying funding for poor students that want to opt out of their shitty assigned schools just perpetuates injustice.
- nevinera 4y ago
  Yeah, I was clarifying a sentiment, not starting a debate about a complex topic. This was actually a policy debate topic back when I was in school, it's very tired ground -.- I understand that you disagree, and you probably have thought-out reasons for that. You'll just have to understand that I do as well, and we can both skip the hours of wasted time where we try to convince each other (or an imaginary audience).
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    That’s fair. By disposition I prefer to always try to make a clear case for an idea. It sharpens my own thinking and sometimes observers are inspired to look into something more deeply.
sershe 4y ago
What is a median private school tuition? I doubt it's very high, I know someone who taught in an extremely wealthy-focused and exclusive private school and the tuition was $35k/year. In contrast, New York state schools appear to spend $25-30k per year per pupil [0 summarizing 1][2] and gets... far, far worse results. You could say that private schools would attempt to serve anyone they can (just like any business), but public schools rob them of the opportunity. In this system, only the rich can escape, while non-rich get stuck with a botched socialized system at taxpayers' expense. Donating to allow more people to escape the public schools is thus a great cause. [0] https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-ny-school-spending-results-20211126-qqw55a5eozg2bh6ptdzcm5zr3e-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-ny-school-spendi... [1] https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/econ/school-finances/secondary-education-finance.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/econ/school-finances... [2] https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/ny-per-pupil-school-spending-topped-25k-in-2018-19/ https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/ny-per-pupil-schoo...

ch4s3 4y ago

> Most of us don't have a problem with _private schools_, just with state money or charity being aimed at them. State money already goes to a dizzying array of non-profit and religious institutions. Anywhere from local homeless and addiction services to the University of Notre Dame. Why should primary and secondary schools be excluded? > Private schools are fundamentally capitalistic This is a meaningless statement. The VST majority of private schools in the US are non-profits. > they serve their (generally wealthy) patrons, not society. Religious schools in the US started out as a cheap way to educate the poor in reading. Catholic schools in particular still serve poorer communities and are low cost. Residential assignment in public schools comes from a legacy of segregation and anti-catholic laws. The wealth will always have their pick of education for their children and always have. Denying funding for poor students that want to opt out of their shitty assigned schools just perpetuates injustice.

nevinera 4y ago
Yeah, I was clarifying a sentiment, not starting a debate about a complex topic. This was actually a policy debate topic back when I was in school, it's very tired ground -.- I understand that you disagree, and you probably have thought-out reasons for that. You'll just have to understand that I do as well, and we can both skip the hours of wasted time where we try to convince each other (or an imaginary audience).
- ch4s3 4y ago
  That’s fair. By disposition I prefer to always try to make a clear case for an idea. It sharpens my own thinking and sometimes observers are inspired to look into something more deeply.

sershe 4y ago

What is a median private school tuition? I doubt it's very high, I know someone who taught in an extremely wealthy-focused and exclusive private school and the tuition was $35k/year. In contrast, New York state schools appear to spend $25-30k per year per pupil [0 summarizing 1][2] and gets... far, far worse results. You could say that private schools would attempt to serve anyone they can (just like any business), but public schools rob them of the opportunity. In this system, only the rich can escape, while non-rich get stuck with a botched socialized system at taxpayers' expense. Donating to allow more people to escape the public schools is thus a great cause. [0] https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-ny-school-spending-results-20211126-qqw55a5eozg2bh6ptdzcm5zr3e-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-ny-school-spendi... [1] https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/econ/school-finances/secondary-education-finance.html https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2020/econ/school-finances... [2] https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/ny-per-pupil-school-spending-topped-25k-in-2018-19/ https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/ny-per-pupil-schoo...