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https://climatetrace.org/map https://climatetrace.org/map Saved you a click. Looking at Europe it is absolutely bewildering how DRAX stands out like a sore th

https://climatetrace.org/map https://climatetrace.org/map Saved you a click. Looking at Europe it is absolutely bewildering how DRAX stands out like a sore thumb. Absolutely criminal that that thing hasn't been shut down yet. Even more criminal that they get away with receiving 'green' funding. Also we in the EU should make a particularly large effort in funding the replacement of Coal plants in Poland. Insane how much they disproportionately contribute to emissions.

ginko 4y ago
>This tool is not available in mobile version, please switch to desktop. ..despite opening this on my desktop. I guess my browser window is taller than it is wide, but that doesn't make it a mobile browser.
parski 4y ago
We should be doing everything in our power to close Drax, Polish coal plants and Norwegian oil fields in the North Sea. Instead we're subsidizing fossil fuels and filling up Putin's warchest along with our filthy cars. [0] [0]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-022-01122-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-022-01122-6
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Poles want to build nuclear power plants instead, Germans want to sue them for it. Really, you can't make this up. https://rmx.news/poland/german-minister-threatens-to-use-legal-tools-against-poland-for-developing-nuclear-energy/ https://rmx.news/poland/german-minister-threatens-to-use-leg...
capableweb 4y ago
Off-topic but does anyone have any guess to what map projection they are using?
- RugnirViking 4y ago
  looks like gall-peters to my eye
capableweb 4y ago
> DRAX stands out like a sore thumb I'm guessing you're referring to "Drax Power Station" in the UK that ranks #52? Having no prior knowledge of "Drax Group" it seems to be this group: > Drax Group PLC is a power generation business. The principal downstream enterprises are based in the UK and include Drax Power Limited, which runs a biomass and coal fueled power station, Drax power station, near Selby in North Yorkshire. The Group also runs an international biomass supply chain business. 22.10 MT from that power station doesn't seem to even come close to some of the oil and gas fields in the US. Maybe it's actually pretty green compared to what it could have been? I have no idea, so happy to be corrected.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  > oil and gas fields in the US Somewhat apples and pears comparison, Drax is burning wood pelets shipped from Canada to the UK (CO2 emissions). Oil/Gas Fields in the US emit Methane (CH4 emissions) which has 28x times more 'warming potential' than CO2 emissions. But I agree that Oil/Gas methane leaks are a much bigger problem than what the media reports.
- sschueller 4y ago
  Wasn't Drax Industries a bond vilan's company? What a fitting name.
  - rascul 4y ago
    Indeed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Drax https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Drax
dimitrios1 4y ago
> Even more criminal that they get away with receiving 'green' funding. It may sound counterintuitive, but corporations like DRAX are exactly who need this funding, because without it, they would continue to not give a shit and just pay greenwashing lip service to these issues. If you give them the money specifically for that, then you are at least increasing the odds there is positive change from the places that need to change the most. (i.e the largest polluters). Everything is about incentives. If you create this big prize of 100s of millions of dollars to receive, with the caveat that you have to show effort in going green, then you've created an incentive that wasn't there previously for the positive change you hope to see.
- williamdclt 4y ago
  You're not incorrect but it doesn't feel very good to incentivize "bad actors" (tempted to say "assholes") with a carrot. Especially a carrot paid by the victims of the actor. Most people would probably rather see the stick being used
  - DoingIsLearning 4y ago
    He actually is incorrect. The reality companies like Drax should be insolvent and the staff retrained for another industry.
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
We already got rid of Russian gas and nukes. Can't get rid of coal in nearest future, simply because energy prices would go bananas and then energy grid would fold.
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  I didn't say we should get rid of coal, now. What I don't see is any medium long term plan to roll out Renewable storage or Nuclear supplementation. So there is no serious EU Energy policy at the moment that allows us to get rid of hydrocarbons for energy production... in any timeline in the foreseable future.
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    And there won't be any reasonable energy policy ever, because EU boxed itself into a corner. There is almost religious refusal of nuclear power plants from some members and unfortunately renewables are not cutting it during winter. So we will be running coal power plants until 2050-2075
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/eu/ https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/eu/ The EU has a plan, and they stepped it up a little with RePowerEU in response to Putin's invasion giving them a bit more political leeway. It won't please people who had their opinions on renewables mysteriously frozen 15 years ago, but for most people it's not bad. World leading in fact, but in a world that's generally not doing very well.
Angostura 4y ago
So virtually all of Drax's output is from compressed wood pellets that it says are sustainably sourced - not from fossil fuels. What's your issue with it?
- feet 4y ago
  Carbon emissions are carbon emissions irrespective of the source
  - Tagbert 4y ago
    not if the source is carbon neutral/negative. Trees grown on a tree farm and converted to wood pellets where the tree farm is replanted to regrow trees for harvesting is not really a net contributor to increase CO2. The CO2 is pulled from the air by the trees and reemitted during burning and then reabsorbed by another generation of trees. Now, there are certainly other energy costs of harvesting, processing and transport that come into play and shipping from CA to UK might tilt the balance away from green more than locally grown trees would. It is still likely much less of a greenhouse peril than burning coal.
    - DoingIsLearning 4y ago
      I mean the fact that Drax is not solvent without UK government funds and the fact they have to import wood pellets from Canada/US should give you a pretty good idea that none of this is sustainable or carbon neutral. I would much rather see those funds allocated to actual renewable sources instead of wasting time/money with wood furnaces and arguing if they are sustainable/renewable.
      - Tagbert 4y ago
        If those funds can get the company to close coal production and use wood pellets instead that is certainly a big step forward.
        DoingIsLearning 4y ago

ginko 4y ago

>This tool is not available in mobile version, please switch to desktop. ..despite opening this on my desktop. I guess my browser window is taller than it is wide, but that doesn't make it a mobile browser.

parski 4y ago

We should be doing everything in our power to close Drax, Polish coal plants and Norwegian oil fields in the North Sea. Instead we're subsidizing fossil fuels and filling up Putin's warchest along with our filthy cars. [0] [0]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-022-01122-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-022-01122-6

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Poles want to build nuclear power plants instead, Germans want to sue them for it. Really, you can't make this up. https://rmx.news/poland/german-minister-threatens-to-use-legal-tools-against-poland-for-developing-nuclear-energy/ https://rmx.news/poland/german-minister-threatens-to-use-leg...

capableweb 4y ago

Off-topic but does anyone have any guess to what map projection they are using?

RugnirViking 4y ago
looks like gall-peters to my eye

capableweb 4y ago

> DRAX stands out like a sore thumb I'm guessing you're referring to "Drax Power Station" in the UK that ranks #52? Having no prior knowledge of "Drax Group" it seems to be this group: > Drax Group PLC is a power generation business. The principal downstream enterprises are based in the UK and include Drax Power Limited, which runs a biomass and coal fueled power station, Drax power station, near Selby in North Yorkshire. The Group also runs an international biomass supply chain business. 22.10 MT from that power station doesn't seem to even come close to some of the oil and gas fields in the US. Maybe it's actually pretty green compared to what it could have been? I have no idea, so happy to be corrected.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
> oil and gas fields in the US Somewhat apples and pears comparison, Drax is burning wood pelets shipped from Canada to the UK (CO2 emissions). Oil/Gas Fields in the US emit Methane (CH4 emissions) which has 28x times more 'warming potential' than CO2 emissions. But I agree that Oil/Gas methane leaks are a much bigger problem than what the media reports.
sschueller 4y ago
Wasn't Drax Industries a bond vilan's company? What a fitting name.
- rascul 4y ago
  Indeed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Drax https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Drax

dimitrios1 4y ago

> Even more criminal that they get away with receiving 'green' funding. It may sound counterintuitive, but corporations like DRAX are exactly who need this funding, because without it, they would continue to not give a shit and just pay greenwashing lip service to these issues. If you give them the money specifically for that, then you are at least increasing the odds there is positive change from the places that need to change the most. (i.e the largest polluters). Everything is about incentives. If you create this big prize of 100s of millions of dollars to receive, with the caveat that you have to show effort in going green, then you've created an incentive that wasn't there previously for the positive change you hope to see.

williamdclt 4y ago
You're not incorrect but it doesn't feel very good to incentivize "bad actors" (tempted to say "assholes") with a carrot. Especially a carrot paid by the victims of the actor. Most people would probably rather see the stick being used
- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  He actually is incorrect. The reality companies like Drax should be insolvent and the staff retrained for another industry.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

We already got rid of Russian gas and nukes. Can't get rid of coal in nearest future, simply because energy prices would go bananas and then energy grid would fold.

DoingIsLearning 4y ago
I didn't say we should get rid of coal, now. What I don't see is any medium long term plan to roll out Renewable storage or Nuclear supplementation. So there is no serious EU Energy policy at the moment that allows us to get rid of hydrocarbons for energy production... in any timeline in the foreseable future.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  And there won't be any reasonable energy policy ever, because EU boxed itself into a corner. There is almost religious refusal of nuclear power plants from some members and unfortunately renewables are not cutting it during winter. So we will be running coal power plants until 2050-2075
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/eu/ https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/eu/ The EU has a plan, and they stepped it up a little with RePowerEU in response to Putin's invasion giving them a bit more political leeway. It won't please people who had their opinions on renewables mysteriously frozen 15 years ago, but for most people it's not bad. World leading in fact, but in a world that's generally not doing very well.

Angostura 4y ago

So virtually all of Drax's output is from compressed wood pellets that it says are sustainably sourced - not from fossil fuels. What's your issue with it?

feet 4y ago
Carbon emissions are carbon emissions irrespective of the source
- Tagbert 4y ago
  not if the source is carbon neutral/negative. Trees grown on a tree farm and converted to wood pellets where the tree farm is replanted to regrow trees for harvesting is not really a net contributor to increase CO2. The CO2 is pulled from the air by the trees and reemitted during burning and then reabsorbed by another generation of trees. Now, there are certainly other energy costs of harvesting, processing and transport that come into play and shipping from CA to UK might tilt the balance away from green more than locally grown trees would. It is still likely much less of a greenhouse peril than burning coal.
  - DoingIsLearning 4y ago
    I mean the fact that Drax is not solvent without UK government funds and the fact they have to import wood pellets from Canada/US should give you a pretty good idea that none of this is sustainable or carbon neutral. I would much rather see those funds allocated to actual renewable sources instead of wasting time/money with wood furnaces and arguing if they are sustainable/renewable.
    - Tagbert 4y ago
      If those funds can get the company to close coal production and use wood pellets instead that is certainly a big step forward.
      - DoingIsLearning 4y ago