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This question seems to imply that junior engineers require lots of synchronous, in-person meetings and handholding. Is there any proof that's truly the case? O

This question seems to imply that junior engineers require lots of synchronous, in-person meetings and handholding. Is there any proof that's truly the case? Or isn't that yet another one of those commonly accepted, yet rarely questioned truisms when it comes to - an often dysfunctional - work culture?

RestlessMind 4y ago
> Is there any proof that's truly the case? Not the OP but the proof is my own experience in both in-office and remote settings. And everyone is going to go by their own life experiences. If enough people think that remote setting sucks and that junior engineers, along with many other roles, are more effective in person, then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that that's not the case.
- BjoernKW 4y ago
  Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers. Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case: Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person? Or is it rather that the company in question itself has an underlying organizational problem?
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    > Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers. Yes. My company is also in that category. We employ a lot of junior engineers too. >90% of them say they want some in-person interaction because it is hard to ramp up effectively on a complex codebase and a different culture. > Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case Because we are all humans and in absence of an in-person presence, we are not able to form trusting deep relationships. > Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person?

RestlessMind 4y ago

> Is there any proof that's truly the case? Not the OP but the proof is my own experience in both in-office and remote settings. And everyone is going to go by their own life experiences. If enough people think that remote setting sucks and that junior engineers, along with many other roles, are more effective in person, then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that that's not the case.

BjoernKW 4y ago
Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers. Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case: Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person? Or is it rather that the company in question itself has an underlying organizational problem?
- RestlessMind 4y ago
  > Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers. Yes. My company is also in that category. We employ a lot of junior engineers too. >90% of them say they want some in-person interaction because it is hard to ramp up effectively on a complex codebase and a different culture. > Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case Because we are all humans and in absence of an in-person presence, we are not able to form trusting deep relationships. > Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person?