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Off topic: what’s the difference b/ codeberg and github,gitlab,bitbucket? What does it mean “free”? If github not an option, host your own gitea. How switchin

by medv 4y ago

Off topic: what’s the difference b/ codeberg and github,gitlab,bitbucket? What does it mean “free”? If github not an option, host your own gitea. How switching domains will help?

Barrin92 4y ago
Unlike Github they're entirely open source and they're registered as an e.V. (eingetragener Verein), the German version of a non-profit volunteer association that generally cannot engage in commercial activities.
Macha 4y ago
Codeberg is a hosted gitea for open source only. The advantages are: - Hosted in Europe and held to EU privacy laws - Does not require consenting to copilot training on your code - Maintained by a non-profit so immune from the "We need to make money so we're going proprietary" trend - Faster than Gitlab.com The disadvantages are: - Open source only. This isn't for your private proprietary projects, they do allow "some exceptions" but this is for things like the terraform config for your project website when the rest of the project is on codeberg anyway, rather than open core or "I have my open and closed projects in the one place"
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  > Maintained by a non-profit so immune from the "We need to make money so we're going proprietary" trend In principle you are right, but there are regulatory capture scenarios that can undermine that so it is still important to keep paying attention. Speaking as someone who is still baffled by how Mozilla fired I-don't-know-how-many people while still paying the top board members millions a year. Non-profits are still better than any other currently existing legal construction I can think of though
  - mariusor 4y ago
    Are you by any chance making a confusion between the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation? The former is the for profit organization that pays most of the developers of the browser and adjacent projects. The foundation is largely meaningless at this point (in my opinion) and serves little purpose outside of providing a good PR talking point.
    - vanderZwan 4y ago
      If I am then that is only by their own design of splitting these things, don't blame me for that.
- shafyy 4y ago
  > Hosted in Europe and held to EU privacy laws Not only hosted in EU, but also by a EU legal entity. This is an important distinction under GDPR.
- Narishma 4y ago
  > - Does not require consenting to copilot training on your code What's to stop Microsoft from training it on code outside of Github?
FlyingSnake 4y ago
Not everyone can afford to self host a secure Gitea. Codeberg is a non-profit (German e.V.) that is a libre alternative to github/gitlab/bitbucket and has special focus on privacy and data protection. A close example would be OSM foundation.
- aliqot 4y ago
  > Not everyone can afford to self host a secure Gitea. ..what??
  - Macha 4y ago
    A VPS to do that is $120/yr. While nothing for a professionally employed software developer in the west, some of us contributed to open source back when we were broke high schoolers and would like the current generation to be able to also, while others have less fortunate economic situations. Also let's say 4 hours/month of amortised maintenence. Some people just aren't willing to spend that time, and while I self host a lot, I can't blame them
    - aorth 4y ago
      > A VPS to do that is $120/yr Minor nitpick: I've been running gitea on a $5/mo VPS for a few dozen personal projects and it's incredibly performant. I was also a starving student once and I appreciated the people who supported open source before me. Now I support dozens (with time AND money) as well! Also, maybe aliquot's question was more about the "secure"?
    - layer8 4y ago
      I’m running a Gitea instance (along with other stuff) on a $3.25 per month ($39 per year) VPS with zero maintenance thanks to Debian security auto-updates and Certbot. Alternatively, you could use a RasPi, or whatever hardware you have at home, with a free DynDNS service.
hfjcic7 4y ago
rurrban 4y ago
It is based in Germany, thus entirely immune to DMCA takedowns. Note: codeberg was founded by a developer who received a DMCA takedown on GitHub.

by medv 4y ago

Off topic: what’s the difference b/ codeberg and github,gitlab,bitbucket? What does it mean “free”? If github not an option, host your own gitea. How switching domains will help?

Barrin92 4y ago

Unlike Github they're entirely open source and they're registered as an e.V. (eingetragener Verein), the German version of a non-profit volunteer association that generally cannot engage in commercial activities.

Macha 4y ago

Codeberg is a hosted gitea for open source only. The advantages are: - Hosted in Europe and held to EU privacy laws - Does not require consenting to copilot training on your code - Maintained by a non-profit so immune from the "We need to make money so we're going proprietary" trend - Faster than Gitlab.com The disadvantages are: - Open source only. This isn't for your private proprietary projects, they do allow "some exceptions" but this is for things like the terraform config for your project website when the rest of the project is on codeberg anyway, rather than open core or "I have my open and closed projects in the one place"

vanderZwan 4y ago
> Maintained by a non-profit so immune from the "We need to make money so we're going proprietary" trend In principle you are right, but there are regulatory capture scenarios that can undermine that so it is still important to keep paying attention. Speaking as someone who is still baffled by how Mozilla fired I-don't-know-how-many people while still paying the top board members millions a year. Non-profits are still better than any other currently existing legal construction I can think of though
- mariusor 4y ago
  Are you by any chance making a confusion between the Mozilla Corporation and the Mozilla Foundation? The former is the for profit organization that pays most of the developers of the browser and adjacent projects. The foundation is largely meaningless at this point (in my opinion) and serves little purpose outside of providing a good PR talking point.
  - vanderZwan 4y ago
    If I am then that is only by their own design of splitting these things, don't blame me for that.
shafyy 4y ago
> Hosted in Europe and held to EU privacy laws Not only hosted in EU, but also by a EU legal entity. This is an important distinction under GDPR.
Narishma 4y ago
> - Does not require consenting to copilot training on your code What's to stop Microsoft from training it on code outside of Github?

FlyingSnake 4y ago

Not everyone can afford to self host a secure Gitea. Codeberg is a non-profit (German e.V.) that is a libre alternative to github/gitlab/bitbucket and has special focus on privacy and data protection. A close example would be OSM foundation.

aliqot 4y ago
> Not everyone can afford to self host a secure Gitea. ..what??
- Macha 4y ago
  A VPS to do that is $120/yr. While nothing for a professionally employed software developer in the west, some of us contributed to open source back when we were broke high schoolers and would like the current generation to be able to also, while others have less fortunate economic situations. Also let's say 4 hours/month of amortised maintenence. Some people just aren't willing to spend that time, and while I self host a lot, I can't blame them
  - aorth 4y ago
    > A VPS to do that is $120/yr Minor nitpick: I've been running gitea on a $5/mo VPS for a few dozen personal projects and it's incredibly performant. I was also a starving student once and I appreciated the people who supported open source before me. Now I support dozens (with time AND money) as well! Also, maybe aliquot's question was more about the "secure"?
  - layer8 4y ago
    I’m running a Gitea instance (along with other stuff) on a $3.25 per month ($39 per year) VPS with zero maintenance thanks to Debian security auto-updates and Certbot. Alternatively, you could use a RasPi, or whatever hardware you have at home, with a free DynDNS service.

hfjcic7 4y ago

rurrban 4y ago

It is based in Germany, thus entirely immune to DMCA takedowns. Note: codeberg was founded by a developer who received a DMCA takedown on GitHub.