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Our societies can't even keep up producing child care, schools and jobs for the small amount of children we have. Can't imagine them succeeding in indoctrinatio

Our societies can't even keep up producing child care, schools and jobs for the small amount of children we have. Can't imagine them succeeding in indoctrination. Having children is awesome but it is also a hard work and quite costly. It would be quite hard to compel modern people have 3+ children.

jojobas 4y ago
People in Africa and India keep having many kids in atrocious conditions. "Inadequate childcare" and "costly" are not even on the cards when they marry and get on with making kids. The West used to be like that too, but then something changed and living on in your kids took the back seat to premium consumption.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  India has declining birth rate as well and probably below reproduction rate already. People are not stupid. It just takes them some time to adjust. African societies may still be forced to use children as free field labor. The more centralized their agriculture becomes, the fewer children they would need. The most important resource to spend on children is time. Even if you decide to cut on spendings, it does not add any extra time. With both parents employed full time, there's very small wedge to stick children into.
- bergenty 4y ago
  India is below replacement rate (1.9) as of 2019
thrown_22 4y ago
You don't need child care when women aren't in the work force.
- jojobas 4y ago
  You also don't need baby formula and get (other things equal) physically and mentally healthier kids.
  - thriftwy 4y ago
    A long maternity leave will do. What if women genuinely want to have identity based on what they do? Full time employment is probably the thing which has to go in favor of reproduction, it's akin peonage in that regard.
    - bergenty 4y ago
      What if I want to have identity based on something I don’t do? We all want things but society can’t always sustain itself that way.
      - thriftwy 4y ago
        Let's imagine you want to have an identity of a person working for a hot start-up. How would you explain that a 25 years old male can be a first developer employee in a start-up, but a 25 years old female can't be a talent acquisition manager there? And then fail to crop up a period of inactivity in their career to have a child?
        jojobas 4y ago
        You have to sacrifice some things to achieve other things. If you want to sacrifice procreation for a career, you won't be the first to be taken care of by evolution.
        thriftwy 4y ago
        So you want some other people to sacrifice their life goals in order to achieve yours? I'm just not sure how it works in practice. And yeah, they would be taken care of by evolution.
        jojobas 4y ago
        There is not much free will, people's goals are informed by what they see about high-status individuals. It's very regrettable that being a mother (or a father) is no longer seen as an achievement at all.

jojobas 4y ago

People in Africa and India keep having many kids in atrocious conditions. "Inadequate childcare" and "costly" are not even on the cards when they marry and get on with making kids. The West used to be like that too, but then something changed and living on in your kids took the back seat to premium consumption.

thriftwy 4y ago
India has declining birth rate as well and probably below reproduction rate already. People are not stupid. It just takes them some time to adjust. African societies may still be forced to use children as free field labor. The more centralized their agriculture becomes, the fewer children they would need. The most important resource to spend on children is time. Even if you decide to cut on spendings, it does not add any extra time. With both parents employed full time, there's very small wedge to stick children into.
bergenty 4y ago
India is below replacement rate (1.9) as of 2019

thrown_22 4y ago

You don't need child care when women aren't in the work force.

jojobas 4y ago
You also don't need baby formula and get (other things equal) physically and mentally healthier kids.
- thriftwy 4y ago
  A long maternity leave will do. What if women genuinely want to have identity based on what they do? Full time employment is probably the thing which has to go in favor of reproduction, it's akin peonage in that regard.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    What if I want to have identity based on something I don’t do? We all want things but society can’t always sustain itself that way.
    - thriftwy 4y ago
      Let's imagine you want to have an identity of a person working for a hot start-up. How would you explain that a 25 years old male can be a first developer employee in a start-up, but a 25 years old female can't be a talent acquisition manager there? And then fail to crop up a period of inactivity in their career to have a child?
      - jojobas 4y ago
        You have to sacrifice some things to achieve other things. If you want to sacrifice procreation for a career, you won't be the first to be taken care of by evolution.
        thriftwy 4y ago
        So you want some other people to sacrifice their life goals in order to achieve yours? I'm just not sure how it works in practice. And yeah, they would be taken care of by evolution.
        jojobas 4y ago
        There is not much free will, people's goals are informed by what they see about high-status individuals. It's very regrettable that being a mother (or a father) is no longer seen as an achievement at all.