> Point being, people like to spew out CICO as if fat people just don't understand thermodynamics That is certainly what some people do, and they're wrong. Bu

> Point being, people like to spew out CICO as if fat people just don't understand thermodynamics That is certainly what some people do, and they're wrong. But CICO as a model is incredibly important. Mostly because a lot of people don't actually believe it! For years, I had the vague sense that I wanted to lose a bit of weight (for context, I wasn't obese, just a bit overweight.) And for years, my kind of underlying assumption was that I'd have to eat completely differently, mostly have to cut out carbs, etc. Today, people talk about all sorts of different diets - Intermittent fasting, or Keto, low-carb in general, etc. Those are all legit! They all can work for some people. But understanding that the way they work is by making you consume less calories (and most likely making you less hungry) is a critical part of their success, IMO. Otherwise you'll do as I did- I started doing IF, lost a few kilo, then get used to consuming all the sweets I otherwise would've had late at night, but right before my IF window closed. Not helpful in the slightest, and just made my day less flexible.