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> My UG took days to be registered, GmbH took 5 months due to international founders And presumably thousands of euros in fees. And you think this is fine? Why

> My UG took days to be registered, GmbH took 5 months due to international founders And presumably thousands of euros in fees. And you think this is fine? Why, when other countries do it quicker and faster? > when I arrived in the UK in 2006, I didn’t expect that everyone will explain to me things in Polish. I actually had to learn the language. Yes but nobody speaks Polish except the Polish, or?

rad_gruchalski 4y ago
> Yes but nobody speaks Polish except the Polish, or? Now substitute Polish with Spanish or Chinese and take note how dumb that statement sounds.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  Spanish speakers: more than half a billion. Chinese speakers: more than a billion. Polish speakers: 50 million. Not comparable.
  - sdfhbdf 4y ago
    The point is where you arrive to a country you should be the one adjusting you language to them and not the other way around. That applies even when you speak the most popular language - arguably chinese - and arrive to anglophone countries which speak the “Internet language”
    - incrudible 4y ago
      Ostensibly, countries like Germany are competing to attract talent and investment, mandatory bureaucracy in a relatively obscure language is going to be a detriment to that.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        A language spoken across Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Lichtenstein, and Luxembourg, parallel in weight to French across European countries, and in the old days the lingua Franca in Eastern Europe, which would rather speak German than English. Hardly obscure.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >lingua Franca in Eastern Europe, which would rather speak German than English No we wouldn't. As an Eastern European I can assure most of my countrymen know and prefer English far better than they prefer and know German. You're probably thinking of the countries bordering Germany that still have ethic German populations from the post-WW2 era, or the ones part of the former Austrian empire (Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, etc.) where learning German was mandatory during those times and the tradition of learning it in school as the main foreign language was kept till recently, but if you go a bit east, or look at youth of today, almost nobody speaks German compared to how many speak English. If you go as a tourist to Slovenia, Croatia or Bosnia, and talk to old people, you're far more likely to get by in German rather than English, but if you talk to young people, it's almost the complete opposite, which is fascinating.
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Which is what I was doing about 20 years ago, I know for sure how much German and how much English helped me to get by.
      - rurban 4y ago
        bureaucracy is not mandatory here. If you are clever you can entirely bypass it. When I registered my German company the worst was to get an internet contract. Registering was done in one or two day. Internet needed more than 2 months. First you don't need a notary. Second you absolutely must not need to register a Gewerbe, as this will inherit the most costs. Check how your work is a "free Gewerbe" (eg. providing system IT services, opposite to application IT services). Third, get rid of a tax advisor, if you care to read the tax laws and maybe a book. I only took a tax advisor in one of my early companies, and it was a massive pain and costly. Without I always managed fine, and survived many extra tax office checks. Finanzamt and Elster is easy. Social insurance also, just a bit expensive. GmBH is expensive, so just take personal risk and register a normal UG.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      > The point is where you arrive to a country you should be the one adjusting you language to them and not the other way around. If you have a lot of money/skill/experience and the country wants it then I would expect the country to improve its services (in this case business but we could be referring to council services for immigrants, the immigration process itself etc) to the point where language is not a problem.
    - Accacin 4y ago
      It's not always so simple though, I moved to France when I was younger for a few years and thanks to a girlfriend who spoke French fluently and living there, I managed to pick it up relatively quickly. However, even after a year or so, when I had to go to some more 'official' appointments (for like CAF and banks, etc.), it was like I didn't speak French at all. None of the language they used was language I used in daily life. My wife is Chinese, speaks English great but when she has to fill out more official forms she still struggles with some of the language used. I do understand their point that English should probably be available in these instances - of course the contracts will be upheld in German. I do think when moving to a new country, people should learn the local language, but languages are big and the subset we need for daily, effective communication is quite small.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    It was already said but I am willing to repeat. When a Chinese person arrives in the UK and wants to do business in the UK, they have to operate in English. All communication with Companies House, HMRC, NI and the bank will be in English. All filings will be in English. You can for sure have someone with the POA doing it for you, but it will cost money. Nothing different than in Germany.
    - bloak 4y ago
      Unless they are in Wales, in which case they would be able to use Welsh for communication with at least some of the authorities: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/companies-house/about/welsh-language-scheme https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/companies-house/... https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/llinell-gymorth-coronafeirws-covid-19-ar-gyfer-busnesau-a-r-hunangyflogedig https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-custo...
  - hoseja 4y ago
    Something something invocation of Godwin's Law something something.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  I'm not sure there are any Polish-speaking places outside of the historical borders of Poland (which have certainly fluctuated a lot). For Spanish: all of Mexico, Central and South America except Brazil, which speaks Portuguese; Cuba, the Dominican Republican and quite a few of the other Carribbean islands; and all of the southwestern United States and to a lesser extent all the rest of it. For Chinese: true story: many years ago, my neighbors three houses up the street were two Chinese immigrants and their three kids. Very nice people. The parents each spoke their own Chinese-family language and could only communicate with each other in English. When they had kids they decided to all learn Mandarin together. So... China, Mongolia, Taiwan, Singapore, and probably parts of Malaysia?

rad_gruchalski 4y ago

> Yes but nobody speaks Polish except the Polish, or? Now substitute Polish with Spanish or Chinese and take note how dumb that statement sounds.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
Spanish speakers: more than half a billion. Chinese speakers: more than a billion. Polish speakers: 50 million. Not comparable.
- sdfhbdf 4y ago
  The point is where you arrive to a country you should be the one adjusting you language to them and not the other way around. That applies even when you speak the most popular language - arguably chinese - and arrive to anglophone countries which speak the “Internet language”
  - incrudible 4y ago
    Ostensibly, countries like Germany are competing to attract talent and investment, mandatory bureaucracy in a relatively obscure language is going to be a detriment to that.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      A language spoken across Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Lichtenstein, and Luxembourg, parallel in weight to French across European countries, and in the old days the lingua Franca in Eastern Europe, which would rather speak German than English. Hardly obscure.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        >lingua Franca in Eastern Europe, which would rather speak German than English No we wouldn't. As an Eastern European I can assure most of my countrymen know and prefer English far better than they prefer and know German. You're probably thinking of the countries bordering Germany that still have ethic German populations from the post-WW2 era, or the ones part of the former Austrian empire (Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Hungary, etc.) where learning German was mandatory during those times and the tradition of learning it in school as the main foreign language was kept till recently, but if you go a bit east, or look at youth of today, almost nobody speaks German compared to how many speak English. If you go as a tourist to Slovenia, Croatia or Bosnia, and talk to old people, you're far more likely to get by in German rather than English, but if you talk to young people, it's almost the complete opposite, which is fascinating.
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Which is what I was doing about 20 years ago, I know for sure how much German and how much English helped me to get by.
    - rurban 4y ago
      bureaucracy is not mandatory here. If you are clever you can entirely bypass it. When I registered my German company the worst was to get an internet contract. Registering was done in one or two day. Internet needed more than 2 months. First you don't need a notary. Second you absolutely must not need to register a Gewerbe, as this will inherit the most costs. Check how your work is a "free Gewerbe" (eg. providing system IT services, opposite to application IT services). Third, get rid of a tax advisor, if you care to read the tax laws and maybe a book. I only took a tax advisor in one of my early companies, and it was a massive pain and costly. Without I always managed fine, and survived many extra tax office checks. Finanzamt and Elster is easy. Social insurance also, just a bit expensive. GmBH is expensive, so just take personal risk and register a normal UG.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    > The point is where you arrive to a country you should be the one adjusting you language to them and not the other way around. If you have a lot of money/skill/experience and the country wants it then I would expect the country to improve its services (in this case business but we could be referring to council services for immigrants, the immigration process itself etc) to the point where language is not a problem.
  - Accacin 4y ago
    It's not always so simple though, I moved to France when I was younger for a few years and thanks to a girlfriend who spoke French fluently and living there, I managed to pick it up relatively quickly. However, even after a year or so, when I had to go to some more 'official' appointments (for like CAF and banks, etc.), it was like I didn't speak French at all. None of the language they used was language I used in daily life. My wife is Chinese, speaks English great but when she has to fill out more official forms she still struggles with some of the language used. I do understand their point that English should probably be available in these instances - of course the contracts will be upheld in German. I do think when moving to a new country, people should learn the local language, but languages are big and the subset we need for daily, effective communication is quite small.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
  It was already said but I am willing to repeat. When a Chinese person arrives in the UK and wants to do business in the UK, they have to operate in English. All communication with Companies House, HMRC, NI and the bank will be in English. All filings will be in English. You can for sure have someone with the POA doing it for you, but it will cost money. Nothing different than in Germany.
  - bloak 4y ago
    Unless they are in Wales, in which case they would be able to use Welsh for communication with at least some of the authorities: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/companies-house/about/welsh-language-scheme https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/companies-house/... https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-customs/contact/llinell-gymorth-coronafeirws-covid-19-ar-gyfer-busnesau-a-r-hunangyflogedig https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/hm-revenue-custo...
- hoseja 4y ago
  Something something invocation of Godwin's Law something something.
dsr_ 4y ago
I'm not sure there are any Polish-speaking places outside of the historical borders of Poland (which have certainly fluctuated a lot). For Spanish: all of Mexico, Central and South America except Brazil, which speaks Portuguese; Cuba, the Dominican Republican and quite a few of the other Carribbean islands; and all of the southwestern United States and to a lesser extent all the rest of it. For Chinese: true story: many years ago, my neighbors three houses up the street were two Chinese immigrants and their three kids. Very nice people. The parents each spoke their own Chinese-family language and could only communicate with each other in English. When they had kids they decided to all learn Mandarin together. So... China, Mongolia, Taiwan, Singapore, and probably parts of Malaysia?