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That is wilfully distorting what I have written. I have learnt German. I speak fluent German. I am German. The language is only one part of what makes it comp

That is wilfully distorting what I have written. I have learnt German. I speak fluent German. I am German. The language is only one part of what makes it complicated. It is very difficult for Germans too. Nevertheless, the whole process should be translated into English if the country wants to attract foreigners to come here and set up companies. Current status is that people are warned against incorporating here.

sgt 4y ago
You should have put it in another way, then. Anyway, the main issue here doesn't seem the language, rather that the process itself is complicated no matter how you look at it. I think that should be the point of focus which I guess you did, but the rant about German was a bit distracting.)
- Major_Grooves 4y ago
  yeah I did edit the article afterwards to admit the comment was flippant and explain what I really meant. Language is the small part of the problem here. Really, it is the process that is bad.
petre 4y ago
> the whole process should be translated into English if the country wants to attract foreigners to come here and set up companies Good luck with that - Ausländern setting up companies in Germany without speaking German. They'll probably incorporate in Estonia or Ireland. It's way easier to set up a company in post communist Eastern Europe.
- Major_Grooves 4y ago
  well that was rather my point. Estonia makes it easy for non-Estonians to incorporate there. Germany should do similar.
  - _njyk 4y ago
    The fun fact: when you live in Estonia, you get German gov-supported Facebook Ads to incorporate your company in Germany. For example, recently getting a new one: https://start-ups.invest-in-bavaria.com/ https://start-ups.invest-in-bavaria.com/
    - kaashif 4y ago
      I find that ad funny. > Don't believe everything about Bavaria. Just believe the facts. Maybe it's because of the article I just read, but I'm reading that like "Don't believe everything you've heard about how Germany is a terrible place to do business." Presumably if New York or San Francisco had ads encouraging people to start companies there, they would want people to believe everything they've heard.
q-big 4y ago
> I have learnt German. I speak fluent German. I am German. As a native German speaker, I really would not consider > I speak decent German, but the vocabulary of company incorporation was not covered in my Volkhochschule classes nor Duolingo. to be fluent in German. In such kind of language discussions, I often see that in the USA vs Germany, there seems to be a quite different understanding of fluency in the native languages: - In the USA, you are considered to be a fluent (English) speaker when you can talk somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen - In German(y), you are considered to be a fluent speaker when you are able to speak the language on quite a high level
- marcus0x62 4y ago
  > - In the USA, you are considered to be a fluent (English) speaker when you can talk somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen American here. I would not consider such a person to be fluent in English, and I don’t know anyone else who would, either. We don’t have our own special, lesser, definition of fluency. Based on your written grammar, I would not consider you fluent in English.
  - the_common_man 4y ago
    What was wrong with his written English, that you consider it not fluent?
    - marcus0x62 4y ago
      Writing "somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen", while not wrong, is unnatural. Same for "In such kind of language discussions". Those constructs aren't wrong, or even particularly bad, but to me they immediately out the writer as someone who does not have native-level fluency.
      - q-big 4y ago
        How would you formulate these phrases then? For the phrases that you list, I actually did look them up in the dictionary beforehand when I wrote my comment to be sure that I express them correctly in English. "fellow countrymen": according to https://www.dict.cc/?s=Landsleute https://www.dict.cc/?s=Landsleute "fellow countrymen" is the English translation of the German word "Landsleute". If you tell me that in the phrase "In such kind of language discussions" I forgot an "a" (i.e. "In such a kind of language discussions"), you are surely right. Otherwise: according to https://www.dict.cc/?s=solcherart https://www.dict.cc/?s=solcherart "such a kind" is the English translation of "solcherart".
Ekaros 4y ago
If the foreigners aren't ready to spend couple thousand in fees to setup a company are they worth it in first place? Germany isn't exactly poor. And in general it might be better for them to garner those that can follow their rules and operate in their system. Setting up limited liability company or equivalent would any way be couple thousand max? If someone wasn't going to invest this much, how much were they going to do anyway?
blueflow 4y ago
Dann lern halt Deutsch anstelle im Internet rumzuheulen, dass Menschen in einem FREMDEN Land nicht deine Sprache sprechen. Junge, wenn du kein Deutsch kannst, hol dir halt einen Übersetzer oder komm halt nicht her. Wäre es gleichermaßen zu erwarten, das ich in Großbritannien eine Firma auf Deutsch registrieren kann? Ich denk, das wäre vermessen.
- Major_Grooves 4y ago
  I kinda suspect you did not read the actual article, based on what you write here. Also - this is an international site - you should really write in English.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    > Also - this is an international site - you should really write in English. That was bait to expose your double standards. Germany is a German-speaking country, if you want to do business here, you should really do it in German. I could criticise your approach with the founding, but the other comments did that well enough. I'd largely parrot https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33588536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33588536 . I think "Entitlement" captures the essence of your article well. You did not research how to do it and created most parts of the mess yourself, and then blamed it on the german system. Of course this is going to aggravate people, me included. If i was you, i'd take the article down because i would not want to be seen as a incompetent founder. Its one thing to fail at challenges, its another to put it online where people can find it when they google your name.

sgt 4y ago

You should have put it in another way, then. Anyway, the main issue here doesn't seem the language, rather that the process itself is complicated no matter how you look at it. I think that should be the point of focus which I guess you did, but the rant about German was a bit distracting.)

Major_Grooves 4y ago
yeah I did edit the article afterwards to admit the comment was flippant and explain what I really meant. Language is the small part of the problem here. Really, it is the process that is bad.

petre 4y ago

> the whole process should be translated into English if the country wants to attract foreigners to come here and set up companies Good luck with that - Ausländern setting up companies in Germany without speaking German. They'll probably incorporate in Estonia or Ireland. It's way easier to set up a company in post communist Eastern Europe.

Major_Grooves 4y ago
well that was rather my point. Estonia makes it easy for non-Estonians to incorporate there. Germany should do similar.
- _njyk 4y ago
  The fun fact: when you live in Estonia, you get German gov-supported Facebook Ads to incorporate your company in Germany. For example, recently getting a new one: https://start-ups.invest-in-bavaria.com/ https://start-ups.invest-in-bavaria.com/
  - kaashif 4y ago
    I find that ad funny. > Don't believe everything about Bavaria. Just believe the facts. Maybe it's because of the article I just read, but I'm reading that like "Don't believe everything you've heard about how Germany is a terrible place to do business." Presumably if New York or San Francisco had ads encouraging people to start companies there, they would want people to believe everything they've heard.

q-big 4y ago

> I have learnt German. I speak fluent German. I am German. As a native German speaker, I really would not consider > I speak decent German, but the vocabulary of company incorporation was not covered in my Volkhochschule classes nor Duolingo. to be fluent in German. In such kind of language discussions, I often see that in the USA vs Germany, there seems to be a quite different understanding of fluency in the native languages: - In the USA, you are considered to be a fluent (English) speaker when you can talk somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen - In German(y), you are considered to be a fluent speaker when you are able to speak the language on quite a high level

marcus0x62 4y ago
> - In the USA, you are considered to be a fluent (English) speaker when you can talk somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen American here. I would not consider such a person to be fluent in English, and I don’t know anyone else who would, either. We don’t have our own special, lesser, definition of fluency. Based on your written grammar, I would not consider you fluent in English.
- the_common_man 4y ago
  What was wrong with his written English, that you consider it not fluent?
  - marcus0x62 4y ago
    Writing "somewhat freely with the fellow countrymen", while not wrong, is unnatural. Same for "In such kind of language discussions". Those constructs aren't wrong, or even particularly bad, but to me they immediately out the writer as someone who does not have native-level fluency.
    - q-big 4y ago
      How would you formulate these phrases then? For the phrases that you list, I actually did look them up in the dictionary beforehand when I wrote my comment to be sure that I express them correctly in English. "fellow countrymen": according to https://www.dict.cc/?s=Landsleute https://www.dict.cc/?s=Landsleute "fellow countrymen" is the English translation of the German word "Landsleute". If you tell me that in the phrase "In such kind of language discussions" I forgot an "a" (i.e. "In such a kind of language discussions"), you are surely right. Otherwise: according to https://www.dict.cc/?s=solcherart https://www.dict.cc/?s=solcherart "such a kind" is the English translation of "solcherart".

Ekaros 4y ago

If the foreigners aren't ready to spend couple thousand in fees to setup a company are they worth it in first place? Germany isn't exactly poor. And in general it might be better for them to garner those that can follow their rules and operate in their system. Setting up limited liability company or equivalent would any way be couple thousand max? If someone wasn't going to invest this much, how much were they going to do anyway?

blueflow 4y ago

Dann lern halt Deutsch anstelle im Internet rumzuheulen, dass Menschen in einem FREMDEN Land nicht deine Sprache sprechen. Junge, wenn du kein Deutsch kannst, hol dir halt einen Übersetzer oder komm halt nicht her. Wäre es gleichermaßen zu erwarten, das ich in Großbritannien eine Firma auf Deutsch registrieren kann? Ich denk, das wäre vermessen.

Major_Grooves 4y ago
I kinda suspect you did not read the actual article, based on what you write here. Also - this is an international site - you should really write in English.
- blueflow 4y ago
  > Also - this is an international site - you should really write in English. That was bait to expose your double standards. Germany is a German-speaking country, if you want to do business here, you should really do it in German. I could criticise your approach with the founding, but the other comments did that well enough. I'd largely parrot https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33588536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33588536 . I think "Entitlement" captures the essence of your article well. You did not research how to do it and created most parts of the mess yourself, and then blamed it on the german system. Of course this is going to aggravate people, me included. If i was you, i'd take the article down because i would not want to be seen as a incompetent founder. Its one thing to fail at challenges, its another to put it online where people can find it when they google your name.