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What makes you say that C++ is leading in productivity? I'm not seeing C++ web applications, or machine learning frameworks. From my own experience, managed lan

What makes you say that C++ is leading in productivity? I'm not seeing C++ web applications, or machine learning frameworks. From my own experience, managed languages are easier to write for as well, especially with the average C++ code base which barely touches upon C++14. If productivity is "the current war", then languages like Go, Python, Rust, Elixir, and TypeScript are definitely fighting it, and it's not clear to me that any has significant lead in anything but limited areas.

themoonisachees 4y ago
Video games are overwhelmingly coded in c++. C# is now more and more popular because of unity, but most AAA games (and their engines) are still made in c++. Also consider the large amount of qt-based apps still running c++.
- rhn_mk1 4y ago
  In the case of game engines, productivity is less important than performance. Most games use some scripting language on top of C++. I agree that C++ is somewhat productive through Qt, but then again Qt is just one area of many - and QML is an acknowledgement that JS can bring greater productivity than C++ within Qt.
  - nottorp 4y ago
    >QML is an acknowledgement that JS can bring greater productivity than C++ within Qt. That's not what my friends who still do Qt jobs tell me. They consider it more of a hindrance because you're limited in what you can do. And it's buggy. But I guess if all you know is javascript...
  - jcelerier 4y ago
    Having done lots of both QML and QWidgets there are many tasks for which I feel I'm more productive on the latter. There are also regular posts on the Qt mailing list asking for a complete c++ version of Qt Quick, and people who kinda implemented a similar thing in another library (QSkinny iirc?) Like, in c++, I just type approximately what I want, especially when writing glue code or creating a new api, and add compile-time checks & fix compiler errors until things build which is a super fast process ; with QML (or other less strict languages) it takes much more time in a slower edit-run cycle to write correct code. And this is mainly due to new c++ features: what would have taken fifty lines to define a static check for in c++03, 30 in c++11/14 with e.g. enable_if, takes at most a couple in c++20 with concepts

themoonisachees 4y ago

Video games are overwhelmingly coded in c++. C# is now more and more popular because of unity, but most AAA games (and their engines) are still made in c++. Also consider the large amount of qt-based apps still running c++.

rhn_mk1 4y ago
In the case of game engines, productivity is less important than performance. Most games use some scripting language on top of C++. I agree that C++ is somewhat productive through Qt, but then again Qt is just one area of many - and QML is an acknowledgement that JS can bring greater productivity than C++ within Qt.
- nottorp 4y ago
  >QML is an acknowledgement that JS can bring greater productivity than C++ within Qt. That's not what my friends who still do Qt jobs tell me. They consider it more of a hindrance because you're limited in what you can do. And it's buggy. But I guess if all you know is javascript...
- jcelerier 4y ago
  Having done lots of both QML and QWidgets there are many tasks for which I feel I'm more productive on the latter. There are also regular posts on the Qt mailing list asking for a complete c++ version of Qt Quick, and people who kinda implemented a similar thing in another library (QSkinny iirc?) Like, in c++, I just type approximately what I want, especially when writing glue code or creating a new api, and add compile-time checks & fix compiler errors until things build which is a super fast process ; with QML (or other less strict languages) it takes much more time in a slower edit-run cycle to write correct code. And this is mainly due to new c++ features: what would have taken fifty lines to define a static check for in c++03, 30 in c++11/14 with e.g. enable_if, takes at most a couple in c++20 with concepts