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>I don’t think having limited I/O means is enough to restrict something from being generally intelligent I agree, and the converse seems to me to be true as we

>I don’t think having limited I/O means is enough to restrict something from being generally intelligent I agree, and the converse seems to me to be true as well - being unable to abstract that limited I/O in such a way as to expand perception into other parts of reality definitely means it is not generally intelligent. If you give a human a visual interface and a book eventually it (or some descendant of it) will intuit what the book is for (abstraction of audible information transfer in a visual media) and figure out how to get the information out of that book. Until an AI can do the same kind of general learning it's not an AGI. Once we make one that is able to do that I think it's about a wrap for the biological format of the human race. We'll still exist, in the same way that bacteria and lemurs still exist, but the frontier of human development will no longer be in wetware.

wizeman 4y ago
> If you give a human a visual interface and a book eventually it (or some descendant of it) will intuit what the book is for (abstraction of audible information transfer in a visual media) and figure out how to get the information out of that book. Until an AI can do the same kind of general learning it's not an AGI. Are you saying AI can't do that already? What is GPT-3's training data if not a giant book, and GPT-3's answers to human questions if not "getting the information out of that book"? The "visual interface" being the bits/bytes/words it ingests during training. Or am I misunderstanding you?
- idiotsecant 4y ago
  Yes, I am saying that. Provide GPT-3 with a webcam and drop a book in front of it. Provide it with a microphone and set it in a rainforest. Provide it with a shortwave radio and let it listen to the world. It will fail to draw any meaningful conclusions from any of these things, no matter how long you let it sit. Do the same with humans and eventually you will get science, art, mathematics, radio astronomy, etc. That's the 'general' part of AGI.

wizeman 4y ago

> If you give a human a visual interface and a book eventually it (or some descendant of it) will intuit what the book is for (abstraction of audible information transfer in a visual media) and figure out how to get the information out of that book. Until an AI can do the same kind of general learning it's not an AGI. Are you saying AI can't do that already? What is GPT-3's training data if not a giant book, and GPT-3's answers to human questions if not "getting the information out of that book"? The "visual interface" being the bits/bytes/words it ingests during training. Or am I misunderstanding you?

idiotsecant 4y ago
Yes, I am saying that. Provide GPT-3 with a webcam and drop a book in front of it. Provide it with a microphone and set it in a rainforest. Provide it with a shortwave radio and let it listen to the world. It will fail to draw any meaningful conclusions from any of these things, no matter how long you let it sit. Do the same with humans and eventually you will get science, art, mathematics, radio astronomy, etc. That's the 'general' part of AGI.