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A close friend just moved across the country and back because what he thought would be his dream teaching job turned out to be laced with dramatic and patently

A close friend just moved across the country and back because what he thought would be his dream teaching job turned out to be laced with dramatic and patently insane identity politics as described. He is himself a socialist passionate about helping poor working class people, but his coworkers were snotty out-of-touch liberals with no conception of class divisions at all. They were intent on dividing society along gender lines.

factsarelolz 4y ago
> but his coworkers were snotty out-of-touch liberals with no conception of class divisions at all. They were intent on dividing society along gender lines. Unfortunately I have heard the same. I know 3 male high school teachers and the stories I hear are unfathomable, you could never convince me to teach at a high school.
- visarga 4y ago
  Hard to understand such activism aiming at dividing society, they emphasise the issues while almost completely forgetting to mention cooperation that exists between the various groups.
  - nopenopenopeno 4y ago
    Right. They seem to think that the aggregate of women could be made happier even while the aggregate of men are made miserable.
drewcoo 4y ago
And it's not just schools. It's also social work. And related fields. Basically, all the things you'd want to involve yourself in "to make a difference" are dominated by liberals.
- jhpaul 4y ago
  I disagree that most "make a difference" fields are dominated by liberals. In my experience, many non-profit board members tend to be wealthy conservatives - bankers, car dealership owners, real estate brokers, etc. This can lead even organizations where the mission, staff or clients are mostly liberal to develop a conservative, elitist culture. Combined with the revolving door of donors and relatives into senior leadership roles, it also can lead an upper management that trends conservative. Many low-paying social service jobs are filled by spouses of people with high-paying jobs. This can lead to an elitist culture, even in the lower levels. There is also a lot of overlap between social service orgs and religious orgs which can lead to a conflict between mission and church doctrine. All in all, I perceive it as being as diverse a field as the rest of society, and filled with many viewpoints. It doesn't seem dominated by one "side" or the other
  - nopenopenopeno 4y ago
    Disagree. There are surprisingly few actual conservatives in the American ruling class, which is why the Democratic Party is statistically the party of the rich. I think your definition of “conservative” is something closer to “person I don’t like.” For the record, I don’t support American liberals or conservatives, who both waste too much time avoiding confrontation with the root problem: capitalism.
    - jhpaul 4y ago
      Fwiw, my definition of conservative in this case is someone with views traditionally in line with the Republican and Libertarian platform. Someone who tends to vote Republican and tends to view things through that lens. I think your goal is to attack the person and and not the idea, which has nothing to do with my experience-based opinion that it's more nuanced than "dominated by liberals".

factsarelolz 4y ago

> but his coworkers were snotty out-of-touch liberals with no conception of class divisions at all. They were intent on dividing society along gender lines. Unfortunately I have heard the same. I know 3 male high school teachers and the stories I hear are unfathomable, you could never convince me to teach at a high school.

visarga 4y ago
Hard to understand such activism aiming at dividing society, they emphasise the issues while almost completely forgetting to mention cooperation that exists between the various groups.
- nopenopenopeno 4y ago
  Right. They seem to think that the aggregate of women could be made happier even while the aggregate of men are made miserable.

drewcoo 4y ago

And it's not just schools. It's also social work. And related fields. Basically, all the things you'd want to involve yourself in "to make a difference" are dominated by liberals.

jhpaul 4y ago
I disagree that most "make a difference" fields are dominated by liberals. In my experience, many non-profit board members tend to be wealthy conservatives - bankers, car dealership owners, real estate brokers, etc. This can lead even organizations where the mission, staff or clients are mostly liberal to develop a conservative, elitist culture. Combined with the revolving door of donors and relatives into senior leadership roles, it also can lead an upper management that trends conservative. Many low-paying social service jobs are filled by spouses of people with high-paying jobs. This can lead to an elitist culture, even in the lower levels. There is also a lot of overlap between social service orgs and religious orgs which can lead to a conflict between mission and church doctrine. All in all, I perceive it as being as diverse a field as the rest of society, and filled with many viewpoints. It doesn't seem dominated by one "side" or the other
- nopenopenopeno 4y ago
  Disagree. There are surprisingly few actual conservatives in the American ruling class, which is why the Democratic Party is statistically the party of the rich. I think your definition of “conservative” is something closer to “person I don’t like.” For the record, I don’t support American liberals or conservatives, who both waste too much time avoiding confrontation with the root problem: capitalism.
  - jhpaul 4y ago
    Fwiw, my definition of conservative in this case is someone with views traditionally in line with the Republican and Libertarian platform. Someone who tends to vote Republican and tends to view things through that lens. I think your goal is to attack the person and and not the idea, which has nothing to do with my experience-based opinion that it's more nuanced than "dominated by liberals".