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> everything has sugar in it, and you have to absolutely avoid it, not just sweets, fruits, juices, I'd even tell you diet drinks and artificial sweeteners too.

> everything has sugar in it, and you have to absolutely avoid it, not just sweets, fruits, juices, I'd even tell you diet drinks and artificial sweeteners too. That means no ketchup, sauces, breads, and most processed and store bought foods. Realistically how do you avoid sugar like this? Soft drinks, candy, and other artificial stuff are easy enough to avoid, but most bread? Fruits? What are you supposed to eat and how are you supposed to obtain it without involving sugar? Are you suggesting people eat pure meat and lettuce and eggs for 6-8 weeks? It would be so much more helpful to give some examples of sample diets people could actually follow. (What specifically are you saying needs to be avoided btw? Sucrose and fructose and artificial sweeteners I assume, but not glucose?)

count 4y ago
An easy way to get most of the way there: - Minimal to no fruit (that includes tomato). - Don't eat anything that comes in a package or that has an ingredients list more than 1 item long (so, frozen broccoli is fine, as long as there's no extra stuff in the bag). - Don't eat anything that your great grandparents wouldn't have had access to. Some things, like bell peppers, will start tasting like candy after a few weeks of this.
- socialismisok 4y ago
  But bell peppers have sugar, they are berries. I've done keto and had success holding sugar under, say, 10 to 12 grams. But getting to absolute zero and eating plenty of fibrous veggies is tricky.
  - count 4y ago
    The first line in my comment is 'almost all the way there'. Absolute zero is not really necessary for anything...
asciimov 4y ago
> What specifically are you saying needs to be avoided btw? Carbs, all of them, as much as you can. Gotta think on the lines of what did human bodies evolve to process and use. Since sugar sources weren't always available, our bodies make all the glucose we need to live. We don't need sugar or carbs at all. Sure our body's do like them because it's easier for our bodies to process carbs to glucose than to make it from fats and other amino acids. This means our brain signals to eat more of the sugary stuff because its "free" energy. > Are you suggesting people eat pure meat and lettuce and eggs for 6-8 weeks? Kinda. It's scary yes, but as your body switches over to eating less carbs, it has to work harder to convert non carbs into things it can use. This levels out your blood sugar levels which in turn makes you less hungry. > It would be so much more helpful to give some examples of sample diets people could actually follow. My diet when I'm in the zone so to speak (Keto + intermittent fasting), looks like the following. First meal around 1pm. Salad - a store bought green mix, might have a little carrot with it, various lettuce (not iceberg or just romaine), I might throw in an egg, a serving of a protein (anything from steak, lunch meat, tuna or salmon), some cheese, maybe something salty (olives or peppers) and some kind of non-sugary dressing (ranch, blue cheese, oil and vinegar), water or unsweet tea. About 3pm - 5pm is a mixed bag and might be a snack or meal, and depends on hunger levels. This can be some nuts (almonds typically), cheese, lunch meat, protein shake, or just left overs. 7-8pm I'll have dinner. Bunless burgers are common, or just some source of protein and a veggie side. I like chicken, beef, pork, fish. You can make all kinds of stuff with them. Bake it, grill it, fry it (without breading). Meatloaf is good. Lots of good recipe sites, maybe you like tacos, so you can have them with low carb tortillas. Asian dishes work out too, as long as you modify them. Cauliflower can be subbed for rice. 8-9pm I'm likely to have another snack. 9pm-1pm - Water. I'll eat if my blood sugar levels demand it. But on a typical day, I avoid anything that needs to be digested.

count 4y ago

An easy way to get most of the way there: - Minimal to no fruit (that includes tomato). - Don't eat anything that comes in a package or that has an ingredients list more than 1 item long (so, frozen broccoli is fine, as long as there's no extra stuff in the bag). - Don't eat anything that your great grandparents wouldn't have had access to. Some things, like bell peppers, will start tasting like candy after a few weeks of this.

socialismisok 4y ago
But bell peppers have sugar, they are berries. I've done keto and had success holding sugar under, say, 10 to 12 grams. But getting to absolute zero and eating plenty of fibrous veggies is tricky.
- count 4y ago
  The first line in my comment is 'almost all the way there'. Absolute zero is not really necessary for anything...

asciimov 4y ago

> What specifically are you saying needs to be avoided btw? Carbs, all of them, as much as you can. Gotta think on the lines of what did human bodies evolve to process and use. Since sugar sources weren't always available, our bodies make all the glucose we need to live. We don't need sugar or carbs at all. Sure our body's do like them because it's easier for our bodies to process carbs to glucose than to make it from fats and other amino acids. This means our brain signals to eat more of the sugary stuff because its "free" energy. > Are you suggesting people eat pure meat and lettuce and eggs for 6-8 weeks? Kinda. It's scary yes, but as your body switches over to eating less carbs, it has to work harder to convert non carbs into things it can use. This levels out your blood sugar levels which in turn makes you less hungry. > It would be so much more helpful to give some examples of sample diets people could actually follow. My diet when I'm in the zone so to speak (Keto + intermittent fasting), looks like the following. First meal around 1pm. Salad - a store bought green mix, might have a little carrot with it, various lettuce (not iceberg or just romaine), I might throw in an egg, a serving of a protein (anything from steak, lunch meat, tuna or salmon), some cheese, maybe something salty (olives or peppers) and some kind of non-sugary dressing (ranch, blue cheese, oil and vinegar), water or unsweet tea. About 3pm - 5pm is a mixed bag and might be a snack or meal, and depends on hunger levels. This can be some nuts (almonds typically), cheese, lunch meat, protein shake, or just left overs. 7-8pm I'll have dinner. Bunless burgers are common, or just some source of protein and a veggie side. I like chicken, beef, pork, fish. You can make all kinds of stuff with them. Bake it, grill it, fry it (without breading). Meatloaf is good. Lots of good recipe sites, maybe you like tacos, so you can have them with low carb tortillas. Asian dishes work out too, as long as you modify them. Cauliflower can be subbed for rice. 8-9pm I'm likely to have another snack. 9pm-1pm - Water. I'll eat if my blood sugar levels demand it. But on a typical day, I avoid anything that needs to be digested.