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It seems something to add to this website https://timetoplayfair.com/timeline/ https://timetoplayfair.com/timeline/

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fetzu 4y ago
It is interesting how that timelines blames the 30% Apple tax as the reason why they had to up the price to 12.99/mo; but they somehow did not bring it back to 9.99/mo when they managed to go around the tax. I am not defending Apple’s practices, I just find the omission on a website called “time to play fair” sweetly ironic.
- red_trumpet 4y ago
  How and when did they manage to go around the 30% fee[1]? [1] Not sure if "fee" is the correct term, but it's certainly not a tax, because those are issued by governmental organizations by definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax).
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- shkkmo 4y ago
  What are you talking about? Spotify premium is currently USD 9.99/mo.
  - 8ytecoder 4y ago
    $12.99 when you subscribe via App Store.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      That's truly unfair and must feel awful as an iPhone user. Fingers crossed that Apple makes this right in the long-term.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        its because apple is taking a cut that it costs more. If you don't want to pay it, subscribe on a platform like a normal web browser that doesn't force spotify to pay a cut to apple.
      - FinnKuhn 4y ago
        iPhone users can still subscribe via the website, if they want to save a few $ a month afaik
      - brokenmachine 4y ago
        Every day I learn something new that Apple does that sucks. They're an absolutely terrible company, and are actively ruining something I love which is general purpose computing with the user as owner. Fuck Apple.
- chetanbhasin 4y ago
  But Spotify is the same way. They underpay the artists in the market they dominate. Everybody with Monopoly in any market is abusing it and pointing fingers at the others.
scarface74 4y ago
I find everything that Spotify says about the Watch to be disingenuous. > Us: "Hey Apple, we love your watch; can we make an app for that?" Them: "nah The first Apple Watch was slow, and didn’t have any real third party apps at all. They were basically all running on the phone and displaying things slowly on the Watch. > Apple rejects Spotify's proposal for an Apple Watch app yet again (2016) This was before the cellular watch came out. How much good would any streaming service be with wifi only? Even then, for battery saving reasons, the Watch really preferred Bluetooth to communicate with the phone > This app update means that rival apps have to agree not to “directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than IAP or discourage the use of IAP.” No retailer is going to let a company advertise how to buy products cheaper somewhere else. > Apple finally allows enhanced functionality for the Spotify app on the Apple Watch (2018) And it took Spotify over two years to support streaming music from the Watch. And now they introduce their own “podcast player” that can’t play podcasts - ie audio hosted on a server where I can subscribe to a RSS feed.
- Omniusaspirer 4y ago
  Spotify is just doing the age-old cycle of getting out-competed despite first mover advantage and then appealing to government authorities to try and stifle competition. When your only idea for innovation is trying to monopolize podcasts while your competitor is rolling out features like spatial audio (which is actually phenomenal) the writing is on the wall.
  - simion314 4y ago
    Is it free competition? As far as I know Apple always attempts to screw with competitors, Apple apps using private functionality, ignoring privacy settings etc. Can I compete fair with Siri, say I have a better quality version that works 10 times better? | I can't , but I am free to create a phone and OS first, bundle my app in and compete with Apple like this... so the better Siri will not happen , users suffer a lower quality app and will ignore Siri because is garbage, only Apple wins.
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nmlt 4y ago
I thin Apple should have rejected all versions of the Spotify app. It’s atrocious.
- testmasterflex 4y ago
  Can you elaborate?
- piva00 4y ago
  400+M people beg to differ from your assessment :)
- usea 4y ago
  I also hate spotify's applications, but apple should not have any say in what software users can run on their devices.
  - brokenmachine 4y ago
    This comment has to be a joke, right?
taneq 4y ago
Devils advocate: why should Apple be obliged to ‘play fair’? The success of the App Store doesn’t change the fact that it’s their product on their platform and they can do whatever they want with it.

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It is interesting how that timelines blames the 30% Apple tax as the reason why they had to up the price to 12.99/mo; but they somehow did not bring it back to 9.99/mo when they managed to go around the tax. I am not defending Apple’s practices, I just find the omission on a website called “time to play fair” sweetly ironic.

red_trumpet 4y ago
How and when did they manage to go around the 30% fee[1]? [1] Not sure if "fee" is the correct term, but it's certainly not a tax, because those are issued by governmental organizations by definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax).
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shkkmo 4y ago
What are you talking about? Spotify premium is currently USD 9.99/mo.
- 8ytecoder 4y ago
  $12.99 when you subscribe via App Store.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    That's truly unfair and must feel awful as an iPhone user. Fingers crossed that Apple makes this right in the long-term.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      its because apple is taking a cut that it costs more. If you don't want to pay it, subscribe on a platform like a normal web browser that doesn't force spotify to pay a cut to apple.
    - FinnKuhn 4y ago
      iPhone users can still subscribe via the website, if they want to save a few $ a month afaik
    - brokenmachine 4y ago
      Every day I learn something new that Apple does that sucks. They're an absolutely terrible company, and are actively ruining something I love which is general purpose computing with the user as owner. Fuck Apple.
chetanbhasin 4y ago
But Spotify is the same way. They underpay the artists in the market they dominate. Everybody with Monopoly in any market is abusing it and pointing fingers at the others.

scarface74 4y ago

I find everything that Spotify says about the Watch to be disingenuous. > Us: "Hey Apple, we love your watch; can we make an app for that?" Them: "nah The first Apple Watch was slow, and didn’t have any real third party apps at all. They were basically all running on the phone and displaying things slowly on the Watch. > Apple rejects Spotify's proposal for an Apple Watch app yet again (2016) This was before the cellular watch came out. How much good would any streaming service be with wifi only? Even then, for battery saving reasons, the Watch really preferred Bluetooth to communicate with the phone > This app update means that rival apps have to agree not to “directly or indirectly target iOS users to use a purchasing method other than IAP or discourage the use of IAP.” No retailer is going to let a company advertise how to buy products cheaper somewhere else. > Apple finally allows enhanced functionality for the Spotify app on the Apple Watch (2018) And it took Spotify over two years to support streaming music from the Watch. And now they introduce their own “podcast player” that can’t play podcasts - ie audio hosted on a server where I can subscribe to a RSS feed.

Omniusaspirer 4y ago
Spotify is just doing the age-old cycle of getting out-competed despite first mover advantage and then appealing to government authorities to try and stifle competition. When your only idea for innovation is trying to monopolize podcasts while your competitor is rolling out features like spatial audio (which is actually phenomenal) the writing is on the wall.
- simion314 4y ago
  Is it free competition? As far as I know Apple always attempts to screw with competitors, Apple apps using private functionality, ignoring privacy settings etc. Can I compete fair with Siri, say I have a better quality version that works 10 times better? | I can't , but I am free to create a phone and OS first, bundle my app in and compete with Apple like this... so the better Siri will not happen , users suffer a lower quality app and will ignore Siri because is garbage, only Apple wins.
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nmlt 4y ago

I thin Apple should have rejected all versions of the Spotify app. It’s atrocious.

testmasterflex 4y ago
Can you elaborate?
piva00 4y ago
400+M people beg to differ from your assessment :)
usea 4y ago
I also hate spotify's applications, but apple should not have any say in what software users can run on their devices.
- brokenmachine 4y ago
  This comment has to be a joke, right?

taneq 4y ago

Devils advocate: why should Apple be obliged to ‘play fair’? The success of the App Store doesn’t change the fact that it’s their product on their platform and they can do whatever they want with it.