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> This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment

> This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on "[0]. Your source does not support your claim at all. Even though vscose and Visual Studio are reported as popular IDEs, you're not talking about IDEs. You're discussing compilers and compiler toolchains, which is not the same thing as a IDE. Microsoft's msvc compiler is not the same as Microsoft's Visual Studio. Visual Studio is an IDE which, among other things, uses msbuild and msvc compiler. The poll you quoted states that 78% use GCC regularly, followed by clang being used regularly by 43%. Microsoft's msvc compiler is in 3rd place at 30%. The same poll also points out that 55% uses cake and 36% use Makefiles regularly, and Visual Studio projects showing up in 3rd place with 31%.

_gabe_ 4y ago
You left out the last part of my statement, in context I said: > by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on Windows The survey doesn't split the responses up by OS. That's besides the point, I'm not trying to say MSVC is the most popular toolchain. I'm refuting the claim that if you only support MSVC on Windows that constitutes "poor windows support". > Microsoft's msvc compiler is in 3rd place at 30%. Yes, and the question for this was "Which compilers do you regularly use?". 78% + 43% + 30% = 151% which is greater than 100%. I'm assuming this means that respondents were allowed to select multiple answers. It seems to make sense to me that people that use MSVC commonly use other compilers when developing for Unix, but the reverse isn't true nearly as much in my experience. Besides that, MSVC is in 3rd place and pretty close to the same amount of users as clang which was the proposed alternative. In that case it really doesn't matter which one you choose to support because you'll be supporting about the same number of people either way. Anyways, this doesn't matter to the claim that I was trying to refute. OP said that Odin has poor Windows support and pointed to an issue that basically said if you only support MSVC on Windows that's not good enough. As a Windows developer, that seems like an odd stance to take imo. This survey shows that a third of developers use MSVC across all domains, including Unix. This seems to imply that if you support MSVC, you're at least supporting a large percentage of devs. Also, I didn't mention the build systems because that's irrelevant. You can use CMake and Make with MSVC or whatever compiler you have installed. I say this as someone that regularly uses CMake and/or Make to compile projects on Windows using MSVC.[0][1] [0]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/creating-a-makefile-project?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/creati... [1]: https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/variable/MSVC.html https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/variable/MSVC.html

_gabe_ 4y ago

You left out the last part of my statement, in context I said: > by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on Windows The survey doesn't split the responses up by OS. That's besides the point, I'm not trying to say MSVC is the most popular toolchain. I'm refuting the claim that if you only support MSVC on Windows that constitutes "poor windows support". > Microsoft's msvc compiler is in 3rd place at 30%. Yes, and the question for this was "Which compilers do you regularly use?". 78% + 43% + 30% = 151% which is greater than 100%. I'm assuming this means that respondents were allowed to select multiple answers. It seems to make sense to me that people that use MSVC commonly use other compilers when developing for Unix, but the reverse isn't true nearly as much in my experience. Besides that, MSVC is in 3rd place and pretty close to the same amount of users as clang which was the proposed alternative. In that case it really doesn't matter which one you choose to support because you'll be supporting about the same number of people either way. Anyways, this doesn't matter to the claim that I was trying to refute. OP said that Odin has poor Windows support and pointed to an issue that basically said if you only support MSVC on Windows that's not good enough. As a Windows developer, that seems like an odd stance to take imo. This survey shows that a third of developers use MSVC across all domains, including Unix. This seems to imply that if you support MSVC, you're at least supporting a large percentage of devs. Also, I didn't mention the build systems because that's irrelevant. You can use CMake and Make with MSVC or whatever compiler you have installed. I say this as someone that regularly uses CMake and/or Make to compile projects on Windows using MSVC.[0][1] [0]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/creating-a-makefile-project?view=msvc-170 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/build/reference/creati... [1]: https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/variable/MSVC.html https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/variable/MSVC.html