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> I now always choose open source over closed source but free as in beer. > They start out great but as financial constraints creep in Funny how you talk abou

> I now always choose open source over closed source but free as in beer. > They start out great but as financial constraints creep in Funny how you talk about financial constraints, and still refuse to pay for software.

10729287 4y ago
Paying won't guarantee you the soft you pay for won't switch business model for subscription, or sell to a bigger company that will extinguish it.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  Not paying for software all but guarantees that it will be abandoned at one point. People want to eat, after all. (The dichotomy between "I must earn a gazillion dollars because I'm a senior dev" and "I will not pay money (that pays those salaries) for software" that's so prevalent on HN is mind boggling)
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Yes Linux and Vim are dead. There are also no other examples of long lived open source projects that are free.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Linux is primarily developed by large corporations. And there are significantly more projects that have stagnated and disappeared than those that survived.
      - colordrops 4y ago
        Whether a project is free or not is not the only consideration as to whether I adopt it for my workflow, just a core one.
- flatiron 4y ago
  I paid $75 for plex 9 years ago and have gotten way more than my monies worth. Their shift to monetization In my opinion is over blown. You can simply go and turn that crap off. Having my media on any device at any time is a life changer. Especially with small kids.
  - crtasm 4y ago
    From what I've been told a lot of the frustration is that you can't simply turn it off for your server, all your users have to do it individually. If you've set it up for non-techie people who don't live nearby I can see how that'd be pretty annoying to deal with.
    - flatiron 4y ago
      I have some copy pasta with screen shots on how to turn that stuff off I spent a bit making. Just send that out and let people know respectfully that I’m not providing tech support and I hope they enjoy the service. I don’t have anyone bug me ever.
crtasm 4y ago
For all we know, OP is donating to all the projects they use that accept donations.
colordrops 4y ago
That's a non sequitur. I was talking about financial constraints of the company, not the user. I'd have no problem paying for a piece of critical software if they contractually guaranteed that they wouldn't break the functionality and/or litter it with ads, or at least make it open source if they do. It has nothing to do with my personal financial constraints. That's a misinterpretation on your part.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  "Financial constraints" of a company, any company, are such that: - development costs money - workplaces cost money - people want to eat You can pay for Plex with money (Plex Pass). And while I sort of dislike them pushing their own content and monetization, it can be easily switched off in settings.
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Apparently a free model works perfectly well. I am using Jellyfin happily. Why should I use Plex when Jellyfin works without all the cruft? The developers working on Jellyfin are doing perfectly fine in their endeavors. Is your suggestion that a project is deserving of more use if it is paid for rather than free? Are free projects poisoning the well for all of us trying to make money off of software? Not sure what point you are trying to make.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > The developers working on Jellyfin are doing perfectly fine in their endeavors. As long as they have something to keep them above poverty line: https://staltz.com/software-below-the-poverty-line.html https://staltz.com/software-below-the-poverty-line.html (among other articles, the question of how free open source isn't sustainable is discussed often)

10729287 4y ago

Paying won't guarantee you the soft you pay for won't switch business model for subscription, or sell to a bigger company that will extinguish it.

dmitriid 4y ago
Not paying for software all but guarantees that it will be abandoned at one point. People want to eat, after all. (The dichotomy between "I must earn a gazillion dollars because I'm a senior dev" and "I will not pay money (that pays those salaries) for software" that's so prevalent on HN is mind boggling)
- colordrops 4y ago
  Yes Linux and Vim are dead. There are also no other examples of long lived open source projects that are free.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    Linux is primarily developed by large corporations. And there are significantly more projects that have stagnated and disappeared than those that survived.
    - colordrops 4y ago
      Whether a project is free or not is not the only consideration as to whether I adopt it for my workflow, just a core one.
flatiron 4y ago
I paid $75 for plex 9 years ago and have gotten way more than my monies worth. Their shift to monetization In my opinion is over blown. You can simply go and turn that crap off. Having my media on any device at any time is a life changer. Especially with small kids.
- crtasm 4y ago
  From what I've been told a lot of the frustration is that you can't simply turn it off for your server, all your users have to do it individually. If you've set it up for non-techie people who don't live nearby I can see how that'd be pretty annoying to deal with.
  - flatiron 4y ago
    I have some copy pasta with screen shots on how to turn that stuff off I spent a bit making. Just send that out and let people know respectfully that I’m not providing tech support and I hope they enjoy the service. I don’t have anyone bug me ever.

crtasm 4y ago

For all we know, OP is donating to all the projects they use that accept donations.

colordrops 4y ago

That's a non sequitur. I was talking about financial constraints of the company, not the user. I'd have no problem paying for a piece of critical software if they contractually guaranteed that they wouldn't break the functionality and/or litter it with ads, or at least make it open source if they do. It has nothing to do with my personal financial constraints. That's a misinterpretation on your part.

dmitriid 4y ago
"Financial constraints" of a company, any company, are such that: - development costs money - workplaces cost money - people want to eat You can pay for Plex with money (Plex Pass). And while I sort of dislike them pushing their own content and monetization, it can be easily switched off in settings.
- colordrops 4y ago
  Apparently a free model works perfectly well. I am using Jellyfin happily. Why should I use Plex when Jellyfin works without all the cruft? The developers working on Jellyfin are doing perfectly fine in their endeavors. Is your suggestion that a project is deserving of more use if it is paid for rather than free? Are free projects poisoning the well for all of us trying to make money off of software? Not sure what point you are trying to make.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > The developers working on Jellyfin are doing perfectly fine in their endeavors. As long as they have something to keep them above poverty line: https://staltz.com/software-below-the-poverty-line.html https://staltz.com/software-below-the-poverty-line.html (among other articles, the question of how free open source isn't sustainable is discussed often)