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Firefox is already fast in a lot of ways. For example, "Recalculate Style" is dead slow on Chrome compared to firefox. I don't know how but it's night and day (

Firefox is already fast in a lot of ways. For example, "Recalculate Style" is dead slow on Chrome compared to firefox. I don't know how but it's night and day (over a second difference for 10k+ nodes). Maybe something to do with https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/performance/bestpractices.html https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/performance/bestprac... A better firefox would be a better Chrome that copies optimization technique from firefox. Because "better" means improving the one that 65% of users are already using .. if it's fixable. Edit: NVM. the tagline is "enhances focus and increases work productivity"

throwaway0asd 4y ago
Firefox is also faster at DOM navigation: https://jsbench.github.io/#b39045cacae8d8c4a3ec044e538533dc https://jsbench.github.io/#b39045cacae8d8c4a3ec044e538533dc You can see from that set of benchmarks (once you run them) that Chrome will top out at around 45 million ops/s in the fastest cases. In Firefox the top cases are a stress test of memory access speed. My old desktop with DDR3 reports numbers like 850 million ops/s while my newer laptop (4 years old) with DDR4 memory, both otherwise slower, reports something around 1.2 billion ops/s. Years ago when I discovered those benchmarks I remembered other users reporting as high as 5 billion ops/s. I would be curious what somebody reports now with fast DDR5 memory.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  Yeah, as a developer it sucks that most users don't get the best perf we offer because they happened to use to the slower one.
hnlmorg 4y ago
> A better firefox would be a better Chrome that copies optimization technique from firefox. Because "better" means improving the one that 65% of users are already using .. if it's fixable. I don’t want an internet dominated by only one web browser’s rendering engine. Not ever again thank you.
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  I don't want too. But I think in shoes of others. Clearly we want them to not want to too but the market share speaks itself.
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    Most people don’t use Chrome because it’s a better browser. They use it because it’s owned by Google, who is a familiar household name. In fact I’d wager a fair number of Chrome users don’t even know it’s called Chrome. They probably just call it “Google” or “The Internet” (particularly on Android). It would be the same case with Microsoft Edge. And possibly even with Safari for some Apple users too.
autoexec 4y ago
> A better firefox would be a better Chrome I don't like the idea of my web browser being owned by Google or anyone else who made their fortune collecting people's personal data to use against them. A better firefox would be a firefox that cared a bit more about people's privacy by default, but as long they keep caring enough to let me disable what I don't like I'll happily stick with firefox as it is.

throwaway0asd 4y ago

Firefox is also faster at DOM navigation: https://jsbench.github.io/#b39045cacae8d8c4a3ec044e538533dc https://jsbench.github.io/#b39045cacae8d8c4a3ec044e538533dc You can see from that set of benchmarks (once you run them) that Chrome will top out at around 45 million ops/s in the fastest cases. In Firefox the top cases are a stress test of memory access speed. My old desktop with DDR3 reports numbers like 850 million ops/s while my newer laptop (4 years old) with DDR4 memory, both otherwise slower, reports something around 1.2 billion ops/s. Years ago when I discovered those benchmarks I remembered other users reporting as high as 5 billion ops/s. I would be curious what somebody reports now with fast DDR5 memory.

Existenceblinks 4y ago
Yeah, as a developer it sucks that most users don't get the best perf we offer because they happened to use to the slower one.

hnlmorg 4y ago

> A better firefox would be a better Chrome that copies optimization technique from firefox. Because "better" means improving the one that 65% of users are already using .. if it's fixable. I don’t want an internet dominated by only one web browser’s rendering engine. Not ever again thank you.

Existenceblinks 4y ago
I don't want too. But I think in shoes of others. Clearly we want them to not want to too but the market share speaks itself.
- hnlmorg 4y ago
  Most people don’t use Chrome because it’s a better browser. They use it because it’s owned by Google, who is a familiar household name. In fact I’d wager a fair number of Chrome users don’t even know it’s called Chrome. They probably just call it “Google” or “The Internet” (particularly on Android). It would be the same case with Microsoft Edge. And possibly even with Safari for some Apple users too.

autoexec 4y ago

> A better firefox would be a better Chrome I don't like the idea of my web browser being owned by Google or anyone else who made their fortune collecting people's personal data to use against them. A better firefox would be a firefox that cared a bit more about people's privacy by default, but as long they keep caring enough to let me disable what I don't like I'll happily stick with firefox as it is.